Persona Notes

[06/12/2015 01:13:33] Alex Jensen: Hello.

[06/12/2015 01:13:54] Matthew Goulart: Hello my friend

[06/12/2015 01:13:58] Matthew Goulart: Long time no see.

[06/12/2015 01:14:15] Matthew Goulart: I'm sorry about Sunday... My computer wasn't working

[06/12/2015 01:14:25] Alex Jensen: No worries.

[06/12/2015 01:15:19] Alex Jensen: I'm pretty busy with school though.

[06/12/2015 01:15:36] Alex Jensen: So I'm not sure how much time I've got today and tomorrow.

[06/12/2015 01:16:18] Matthew Goulart: It's okay

[06/12/2015 01:17:45] Alex Jensen: So how have you been?

[06/12/2015 01:17:59] Matthew Goulart: Good

[06/12/2015 01:18:02] Matthew Goulart: bout you?

[06/12/2015 01:18:32] Alex Jensen: Having a bunch of panic attacks.

[06/12/2015 01:18:42] Alex Jensen: So not the greatest.

[06/12/2015 01:21:19] Matthew Goulart: You? Panic attacks?

[06/12/2015 01:21:23] Matthew Goulart: The fuck man?

[06/12/2015 01:22:25] Alex Jensen: Maybe that's a little exaggerated, but I'm rather stressed.

[06/12/2015 01:22:54] Alex Jensen: And by that I mean I've got no idea how the heck I'm going to survive to graduation at this rate.

[06/12/2015 01:23:39] Matthew Goulart: I see. Why is that?

[06/12/2015 01:24:51] Alex Jensen: We just lost another department head in school and I'm so far behind in planning/funding my film.

[06/12/2015 01:25:06] Alex Jensen: Not to mention a teacher wants her final an week early.

[06/12/2015 01:25:31] Matthew Goulart: I see

[06/12/2015 01:25:39] Matthew Goulart: That sucks

[06/12/2015 01:26:10] Alex Jensen: It is what it is, right?

[06/12/2015 01:26:20] Matthew Goulart: I guess

[06/12/2015 01:26:44] Alex Jensen: But yeah, I'm more than a little concerned about several dozen things right now.

[06/12/2015 01:26:53] Alex Jensen: *with about

[06/12/2015 01:27:30] Matthew Goulart: I can imagine

[06/12/2015 01:29:49] Alex Jensen: Question: seen any good abridged series lately?

[06/12/2015 01:30:05] Matthew Goulart: Not really?

[06/12/2015 01:33:03] Alex Jensen: Well I've found what is basically the official abridged series of a show. Admittedly, the original is a piece of garbage so the dub company was told they could do whatever they wanted as long as the character names were the same.

[06/12/2015 01:33:28] Matthew Goulart: What series' is it?

[06/12/2015 01:33:36] Alex Jensen: Ghost Stories.

[06/12/2015 01:33:43] Alex Jensen: Arkada just did a review of it.

[06/12/2015 01:33:54] Matthew Goulart: I see

[06/12/2015 01:34:13] Alex Jensen: It's fucking gold.

[06/12/2015 01:34:17] Alex Jensen: You might want to check it out.

[06/12/2015 01:35:21] Matthew Goulart: I may

[06/12/2015 01:37:03] Alex Jensen: Oh yeah, Jenny just finished Another.

[06/12/2015 01:37:43] Alex Jensen: She liked it.

[06/12/2015 01:37:59] Alex Jensen: Had an interesting idea about the ending actually.

[06/12/2015 01:38:58] Alex Jensen: Either one or both of the main characters die and a new story from their perspective as the "extra".

[06/12/2015 01:39:18] Matthew Goulart: What you mean?

[06/12/2015 01:41:01] Alex Jensen: You know how shit went crazy in the hotel and basically everybody died?

[06/12/2015 01:41:20] Matthew Goulart: Yeah

[06/12/2015 01:41:38] Alex Jensen: She was thinking that it would have been interesting if one of them had also died there and a new season could come when they are brought back as the extra/dead person.

[06/12/2015 01:42:01] Matthew Goulart: Maybe....

[06/12/2015 01:42:07] Matthew Goulart: Idk about it

[06/12/2015 01:44:22] Alex Jensen: It seemed kind of interesting anyway. I'm still happy with how it ended though.

[06/12/2015 01:45:32] Matthew Goulart: I dont think it would fit much with the whole love thingie

[06/12/2015 01:45:34] Matthew Goulart: They had

[06/12/2015 01:45:53] Matthew Goulart: I mean, Unless they enter a time loop

[06/12/2015 01:46:01] Matthew Goulart: It would not make sense

[06/12/2015 01:47:21] Alex Jensen: I wouldn't think that one of them dying would be great for the relationship either haha.

[06/12/2015 01:50:17] Matthew Goulart: Man

[06/12/2015 01:50:25] Matthew Goulart: Look at my new wallpaper

[06/12/2015 01:50:38] Matthew Goulart: This is the most adorable thing I've seen for a good while

[06/12/2015 01:50:39] Matthew Goulart: http://i.imgur.com/ipr3iiq.jpg

[06/12/2015 01:52:02] Alex Jensen: But it has Yukiko. You don't like Yukiko.

[06/12/2015 01:52:29] Matthew Goulart: I never said I didn't like her, I just said I like Naoto and CHIE better

[06/12/2015 01:52:43] Alex Jensen: Oh, my bad.

[06/12/2015 01:53:01] Matthew Goulart: She's cool, but I like her in an average way

[06/12/2015 01:53:11] Matthew Goulart: Plus, I can only look to the left side of the pic

[06/12/2015 01:53:23] Matthew Goulart: Which is what I do mostly

[06/12/2015 01:53:51] Alex Jensen: Figures haha.

[06/12/2015 01:54:22] Alex Jensen: You're as crazy for Chie as I am for Mistress CC...

[06/12/2015 01:54:29] Matthew Goulart: Also, the pic isn't adorable just because chie is in it. It's just adorable cause it is adorable

[06/12/2015 01:54:33] Matthew Goulart: I am

[06/12/2015 01:54:38] Matthew Goulart: Chie best waofu man

[06/12/2015 01:54:43] Matthew Goulart: For now at least

[06/12/2015 01:54:50] Matthew Goulart: Hard to be better than her tho

[06/12/2015 01:55:12] Matthew Goulart: Like

[06/12/2015 01:55:14] Matthew Goulart: REAL

[06/12/2015 01:55:15] Matthew Goulart: REAL

[06/12/2015 01:55:18] Matthew Goulart: REAL HARD

[06/12/2015 01:55:40] Alex Jensen: So hard you need CPR?

[06/12/2015 01:55:48] Matthew Goulart: CPR?

[06/12/2015 01:55:57] Alex Jensen: ...

[06/12/2015 01:56:12] Alex Jensen: Just google it. No idea how to describe it.

[06/12/2015 01:56:25] Alex Jensen: But it's a joke.

[06/12/2015 01:56:34] Matthew Goulart: Cardiopulmonary resuscitation?

[06/12/2015 01:56:39] Alex Jensen: Yup.

[06/12/2015 01:56:42] Matthew Goulart: I kinda do

[06/12/2015 01:57:32] Matthew Goulart: I'm as crazy for her as you are for CC

[06/12/2015 01:57:34] Matthew Goulart: That's for sure

[06/12/2015 01:57:47] Matthew Goulart: She is just adorable

[06/12/2015 01:58:12] Alex Jensen: I noticed haha.

[06/12/2015 01:59:58] Matthew Goulart: You gotta admit my fanatism  for her has some ground tho

[06/12/2015 02:00:09] Matthew Goulart: I mean, CC is pretty sweet

[06/12/2015 02:01:13] Alex Jensen: Just remember whose immortal witch that is haha.

[06/12/2015 02:01:26] Matthew Goulart: I know man

[06/12/2015 02:05:52] Alex Jensen: It just realized something funny. I'm usually drawn to the quieter, more serious types. And yet Jenny is more or less the exact opposite of that.

[06/12/2015 02:57:14] Matthew Goulart: Sorry, my internet went down for whatever reason

[06/12/2015 02:57:33] Matthew Goulart: And I know what you mean

[06/12/2015 02:57:42] Matthew Goulart: I'm usually drawn to those time of people as well

[06/12/2015 02:57:56] Matthew Goulart: My girlfriend is the exact opposite as well

[06/12/2015 02:58:17] Matthew Goulart: Chie is also very energetic

[06/12/2015 02:59:59] Matthew Goulart: And you know how I like that one

[06/12/2015 03:16:09] Alex Jensen: I'm back. Had to run and grab dinner.

[06/12/2015 03:16:24] Alex Jensen: Pretty funny how that works though.

[06/12/2015 03:17:14] Alex Jensen: Although we really can't complain... both girls are pretty damn cute haha.

[06/12/2015 03:20:58] Matthew Goulart: Yup

[06/12/2015 03:21:42] Alex Jensen: Speaking of which, guess who decided to get her hair colored a bunch of different colors.

[06/12/2015 03:29:01] Matthew Goulart: Jenny?

[06/12/2015 03:29:07] Matthew Goulart: Or was it you?

[06/12/2015 03:29:23] Alex Jensen: Like I'd ever do that haha. No, it was her.

[06/12/2015 03:35:10] Alex Jensen: Not sure how I feel about it personally.

[06/12/2015 03:35:26] Matthew Goulart: What colors did she choose?

[06/12/2015 03:36:09] Alex Jensen: A few different ones. I can't really remember the specific ones though.

[06/12/2015 03:36:48] Alex Jensen: They're slightly faded so it was tough to see exactly.

[06/12/2015 03:41:18] Matthew Goulart: I see

[06/12/2015 03:41:24] Matthew Goulart: Does it look bad?

[06/12/2015 03:42:04] Alex Jensen: I guess it was well done and fits her personality.

[06/12/2015 03:42:31] Alex Jensen: But I'm also not the biggest fan of colored hair. Especially when she looked pretty good with what she had before.

[06/12/2015 03:44:47] Matthew Goulart: I see

[06/12/2015 03:45:04] Matthew Goulart: Well my girlfriend's hair dyed her hair red in the bangs

[06/12/2015 03:45:07] Matthew Goulart: on the*

[06/12/2015 03:45:12] Matthew Goulart: Looks pretty good

[06/12/2015 03:47:13] Alex Jensen: I think that's also where Jenny did hers.

[06/12/2015 03:49:09] Alex Jensen: Well as least it's not hot pink or something garish like that haha.

[06/12/2015 03:49:21] Alex Jensen: I'll get used to it after a while.

[06/12/2015 03:49:28] Matthew Goulart: Hehe

[06/12/2015 03:49:29] Matthew Goulart: You'll

[06/12/2015 03:50:03] Alex Jensen: Speaking of colors though, I'm starting to really like seeing purple...

[06/12/2015 03:50:10] Alex Jensen: Wanna guess why?

[06/12/2015 03:50:16] Matthew Goulart: ???

[06/12/2015 03:50:25] Matthew Goulart: No idea why you would wanna see that

[06/12/2015 03:50:34] Alex Jensen: Pantsu, baka.

[06/12/2015 03:50:57] Matthew Goulart: How would i fucking guess that lol

[06/12/2015 03:51:10] Matthew Goulart: I don't know how many pantsu you stole from her drawer

[06/12/2015 03:51:14] Matthew Goulart: And how many were purple

[06/12/2015 03:51:22] Alex Jensen: I didn't steal jack shit haha.

[06/12/2015 03:51:22] Matthew Goulart: And how many you did dirty things to

[06/12/2015 03:51:37] Matthew Goulart: Oh yeah, I guess it's not stealing when you put them back

[06/12/2015 03:51:52] Alex Jensen: I just happen to notice when she bends down to pick something up.

[06/12/2015 03:52:01] Matthew Goulart: Nice

[06/12/2015 03:52:06] Matthew Goulart: That butt crack tho

[06/12/2015 03:52:12] Alex Jensen: ^_^

[06/12/2015 03:52:12] Matthew Goulart: Am I right?

[06/12/2015 03:52:31] Alex Jensen: It is a sight that puts the local mountains to shame hehe.

[06/12/2015 03:53:57] Matthew Goulart: I bet

[06/12/2015 03:54:54] Matthew Goulart: So when are you going to get that booty?

[06/12/2015 03:55:02] Matthew Goulart: Soon? Now?

[06/12/2015 03:56:21] Alex Jensen: As soon as I have some time to recover from this terrible term I've been having.

[06/12/2015 03:57:06] Alex Jensen: I was going to ask her to Thanksgiving with the family but then shit happened and that didn't work.

[06/12/2015 03:57:34] Alex Jensen: Then I tried the weekend after, but that fell through too.

[06/12/2015 03:57:55] Alex Jensen: And now I'm trying to survive a school that seems determined to close.

[06/12/2015 03:58:43] Alex Jensen: Now you see why I never had a girlfriend before. My luck is SHIT.

[06/12/2015 04:01:17] Matthew Goulart: Love has nothing to do with love

[06/12/2015 04:01:22] Matthew Goulart: It has to do with the soul

[06/12/2015 04:01:24] Matthew Goulart: Haha

[06/12/2015 04:03:13] Alex Jensen: Trying to be philosophical now?

[06/12/2015 04:05:11] Matthew Goulart: Not really

[06/12/2015 04:05:21] Matthew Goulart: But the luck thing is true

[06/12/2015 04:07:35] Alex Jensen: Well I can't be too unlucky apparently. I've got some nice views down her shirt and her butt recently after all haha.

[06/12/2015 04:07:58] Alex Jensen: Maybe it's only a pervert's luck that I have?

[06/12/2015 04:08:14] Matthew Goulart: Nah

[06/12/2015 04:08:29] Matthew Goulart: It's just that she maybe teasing you without you noticing

[06/12/2015 04:08:35] Matthew Goulart: I mean, if it happens a lot

[06/12/2015 04:08:38] Matthew Goulart: It's intentional

[06/12/2015 04:10:58] Alex Jensen: I wouldn't be so sure about that. She's not really the type to just randomly give a free show.

[06/12/2015 04:13:05] Alex Jensen: Plus she wasn't too happy when I walked into her room and saw some underwear lying on the floor.

[06/12/2015 04:17:34] Matthew Goulart: Cause she gets embarrassed

[06/12/2015 04:17:40] Matthew Goulart: But some stuff might be intentional

[06/12/2015 04:18:25] Matthew Goulart: But anyways, how's pbeen your progress on persona?

[06/12/2015 04:18:39] Alex Jensen: 122 out of 164

[06/12/2015 04:18:57] Alex Jensen: Just moved past Namatame.

[06/12/2015 04:19:07] Alex Jensen: Now we know there is somebody else out there.

[06/12/2015 04:19:15] Alex Jensen: I still think it is Adachi.

[06/12/2015 04:19:17] Matthew Goulart: Oh great

[06/12/2015 04:19:23] Matthew Goulart: You got past namatame

[06/12/2015 04:19:36] Matthew Goulart: You gonna find out in the next few episodes

[06/12/2015 04:19:50] Matthew Goulart: The person you find out about is not the real villain though

[06/12/2015 04:20:03] Matthew Goulart: Remenber, there is still a REAL perpetrator in the story

[06/12/2015 04:21:16] Alex Jensen: So there are 2 more people to find then.,

[06/12/2015 04:23:36] Matthew Goulart: Find the real one and I'll give you a million internets

[06/12/2015 04:23:55] Alex Jensen: The butler did it!

[06/12/2015 04:24:12] Matthew Goulart: lol

[06/12/2015 04:24:13] Matthew Goulart: I guess

[06/12/2015 04:24:18] Matthew Goulart: But that's wrong

[06/12/2015 04:24:26] Alex Jensen: But it's always the butler!

[06/12/2015 04:24:43] Alex Jensen: I call BS.

[06/12/2015 04:24:55] Alex Jensen: Atlus cheated.

[06/12/2015 04:25:54] Matthew Goulart: Atlus is sneaky

[06/12/2015 04:25:59] Matthew Goulart: I'm playing Persona 2 tho

[06/12/2015 04:26:14] Matthew Goulart: Not that good, but it's a good time spender

[06/12/2015 04:26:28] Alex Jensen: I see.

[06/12/2015 04:26:44] Alex Jensen: Speaking of games, I found a copy of FF7 for my xbox.

[06/12/2015 04:27:03] Matthew Goulart: What?

[06/12/2015 04:27:04] Alex Jensen: As soon as I get back home, I'm gonna play the shit out of it.

[06/12/2015 04:27:22] Alex Jensen: Final Fantasy 7 for the Xbox 360?

[06/12/2015 04:27:23] Matthew Goulart: FF7 doesn't exist on xbox I'm pretty sure...

[06/12/2015 04:28:00] Matthew Goulart: There's FFXIII, XIII-2 and XIII-3(Lightning Returns)

[06/12/2015 04:28:06] Matthew Goulart: There isn't any other

[06/12/2015 04:28:17] Alex Jensen: Maybe it was 8?

[06/12/2015 04:28:29] Alex Jensen: I dunno. It has some pink haired girl on the cover.

[06/12/2015 04:28:36] Matthew Goulart: That's XIII

[06/12/2015 04:28:43] Alex Jensen: Is it any good?

[06/12/2015 04:28:47] Matthew Goulart: I like it

[06/12/2015 04:28:55] Matthew Goulart: It gets a lot of hate tho

[06/12/2015 04:28:58] Matthew Goulart: I love XIII tho

[06/12/2015 04:29:02] Matthew Goulart: It's fun

[06/12/2015 04:29:12] Alex Jensen: What makes it so hated?

[06/12/2015 04:30:21] Matthew Goulart: The game's is very linear, with not too many sidequests

[06/12/2015 04:30:34] Matthew Goulart: And you don't have much to do aside from the main story

[06/12/2015 04:30:39] Matthew Goulart: Not to mention it is hard

[06/12/2015 04:31:00] Matthew Goulart: You need to be really good at the battle system to do any good late on the game

[06/12/2015 04:31:04] Matthew Goulart: Change Roles fast

[06/12/2015 04:31:09] Matthew Goulart: And not use auto-battle

[06/12/2015 04:31:14] Matthew Goulart: Throws some people off

[06/12/2015 04:31:19] Matthew Goulart: The start is a breeze though

[06/12/2015 04:31:26] Matthew Goulart: And the story is pretty up there

[06/12/2015 04:31:54] Alex Jensen: Sounds like I'm screwed.

[06/12/2015 04:32:00] Alex Jensen: I suck at combat.

[06/12/2015 04:32:31] Matthew Goulart: Not really

[06/12/2015 04:32:36] Matthew Goulart: It's really just getting used to it

[06/12/2015 04:32:45] Matthew Goulart: I'll give you tips

[06/12/2015 04:32:49] Matthew Goulart: Beat the game 5-6 times

[06/12/2015 04:32:54] Matthew Goulart: Like 100%

[06/12/2015 04:33:04] Matthew Goulart: You're going to have trouble with a few quest enemies

[06/12/2015 04:33:16] Matthew Goulart: And a few storyline bosses later on

[06/12/2015 04:33:19] Matthew Goulart: My advice is

[06/12/2015 04:33:22] Matthew Goulart: ALWAYS

[06/12/2015 04:33:23] Matthew Goulart: ALWAYS

[06/12/2015 04:33:39] Matthew Goulart: Complete your crystarium before moving on to a boss or the story

[06/12/2015 04:33:47] Matthew Goulart: If you have your crystarium complete

[06/12/2015 04:33:51] Matthew Goulart: It gets a LOT easier

[06/12/2015 04:33:59] Matthew Goulart: Crystarium is your skill tree

[06/12/2015 04:34:02] Matthew Goulart: If you're wondering

[06/12/2015 04:34:59] Alex Jensen: Ok...?

[06/12/2015 04:35:15] Matthew Goulart: Your skill tree works in tiers

[06/12/2015 04:35:21] Matthew Goulart: For example

[06/12/2015 04:35:32] Matthew Goulart: During the first part of the game you have 2 tiers

[06/12/2015 04:35:56] Matthew Goulart: You max out those tiers and you can't learn any more skills until you progress with the story

[06/12/2015 04:36:01] Matthew Goulart: (this game has no levels)

[06/12/2015 04:36:08] Matthew Goulart: Once you progress

[06/12/2015 04:36:13] Matthew Goulart: A new tier will be unlocked

[06/12/2015 04:36:19] Matthew Goulart: And you can go in further

[06/12/2015 04:36:37] Matthew Goulart: Always max it up before moving on with the story first though

[06/12/2015 04:36:45] Matthew Goulart: Because if you don't have the stat bonuses

[06/12/2015 04:36:52] Matthew Goulart: You're going to get REKT

[06/12/2015 04:37:21] Alex Jensen: Sounds reasonable.

[06/12/2015 04:37:39] Matthew Goulart: The Eidolon fights are all a pain in the ass

[06/12/2015 04:38:09] Matthew Goulart: You also have no "Defense"

[06/12/2015 04:38:21] Matthew Goulart: The only stats you have are Strength, Magic and HP

[06/12/2015 04:38:29] Matthew Goulart: You can reduce damage with Protect and Shell

[06/12/2015 04:38:36] Matthew Goulart: But they work in percentages

[06/12/2015 04:38:50] Matthew Goulart: Multipliers, if you will

[06/12/2015 04:39:01] Matthew Goulart: That's something that pissed off some other people too

[06/12/2015 04:39:08] Matthew Goulart: I honestly would want armor and stuff

[06/12/2015 04:39:21] Alex Jensen: There's no armor/gear?

[06/12/2015 04:39:31] Matthew Goulart: There's weapons and accesories

[06/12/2015 04:39:35] Matthew Goulart: 1 weapon slot

[06/12/2015 04:39:43] Matthew Goulart: 5 (eventual) accessory slots

[06/12/2015 04:39:54] Matthew Goulart: You start with 1 accesory, and you get more later

[06/12/2015 04:40:03] Matthew Goulart: Accessories are pretty important

[06/12/2015 04:40:17] Matthew Goulart: Your beater NEEDS to have strength/magic accessories

[06/12/2015 04:40:25] Matthew Goulart: Or your damage is going to be jack

[06/12/2015 04:40:30] Matthew Goulart: And they need to be upgraded

[06/12/2015 04:40:35] Matthew Goulart: So you have to grind a bit

[06/12/2015 04:40:42] Matthew Goulart: For money, that it

[06/12/2015 04:40:45] Matthew Goulart: that is*

[06/12/2015 04:40:52] Matthew Goulart: To buy parts and upgrade

[06/12/2015 04:40:56] Matthew Goulart: It's not that hard tho

[06/12/2015 04:41:11] Matthew Goulart: When you're grinding for CP (crystarium points)

[06/12/2015 04:41:15] Matthew Goulart: You get enough money

[06/12/2015 04:42:39] Alex Jensen: Makes sense.

[06/12/2015 04:42:54] Alex Jensen: So where does the story rank for you overall?

[06/12/2015 04:45:39] Alex Jensen: Also, I KNEW that son of a bitch Adachi did it.

[06/12/2015 04:49:27] Matthew Goulart: For FFXIII

[06/12/2015 04:49:40] Matthew Goulart: It ranks on a 8/10

[06/12/2015 04:49:45] Matthew Goulart: It's pretty decent

[06/12/2015 04:49:48] Matthew Goulart: Elaborated

[06/12/2015 04:50:03] Alex Jensen: In terms of in relation to others, I meant.

[06/12/2015 04:57:21] Matthew Goulart: That is in relatio to other

[06/12/2015 04:57:48] Matthew Goulart: Also, Adachi isn't to blame. I mean, partially, but not really.

[06/12/2015 04:58:10] Alex Jensen: I'm still happy that I figured it out so early./

[06/12/2015 04:58:36] Alex Jensen: That guy is seriously messed up when he's not acting.

[06/12/2015 04:58:44] Matthew Goulart: He ain't acting

[06/12/2015 04:58:53] Matthew Goulart: You'll see what I mean eventually

[06/12/2015 04:59:14] Matthew Goulart: But he is really like what you saw

[06/12/2015 04:59:36] Alex Jensen: Cruel, sadistic, and downright creepy?

[06/12/2015 05:01:42] Matthew Goulart: Like he was before being figured out

[06/12/2015 05:01:59] Matthew Goulart: He has problems. But he really isn't to blame

[06/12/2015 05:02:01] Matthew Goulart: You'll see

[06/12/2015 05:02:25] Alex Jensen: A killer is a killer.

[06/12/2015 05:03:12] Alex Jensen: I have no pity for one.

[06/12/2015 05:03:40] Matthew Goulart: He ain't the killer. The death of the people were indirect

[06/12/2015 05:04:27] Matthew Goulart: He did not kill anyone, as far as I'm concerned. He killed them indirectly, sure, but not directly.

[06/12/2015 05:04:38] Matthew Goulart: It's also not his fault for acting the way he did

[06/12/2015 05:04:41] Matthew Goulart: You'll see soon

[06/12/2015 05:04:46] Matthew Goulart: Just watch the damn thing haha

[06/12/2015 05:04:55] Alex Jensen: Watching it.

[06/12/2015 05:05:28] Matthew Goulart: I personally like Adachi

[06/12/2015 05:07:18] Alex Jensen: So about ff8. Any good characters?

[06/12/2015 05:07:35] Matthew Goulart: FFVIII is pretty good

[06/12/2015 05:07:42] Matthew Goulart: Not on the top of my list though

[06/12/2015 05:07:50] Matthew Goulart: I like the main heroine per say

[06/12/2015 05:07:52] Matthew Goulart: She is pretty nice

[06/12/2015 05:07:55] Matthew Goulart: Rinoa

[06/12/2015 05:08:03] Matthew Goulart: I love IX

[06/12/2015 05:08:08] Matthew Goulart: IX is really good

[06/12/2015 05:08:17] Matthew Goulart: Character really well developed

[06/12/2015 05:08:25] Matthew Goulart: VII is more or less

[06/12/2015 05:08:32] Matthew Goulart: The graphics are just too horrendous

[06/12/2015 05:08:47] Matthew Goulart: And I hate how everybody likes Aeris because of one little thing

[06/12/2015 05:08:57] Matthew Goulart: Hate Aeris, I like all the other characters though

[06/12/2015 05:09:05] Matthew Goulart: VI has AMAZING cast

[06/12/2015 05:09:07] Matthew Goulart: One of the best

[06/12/2015 05:09:18] Matthew Goulart: All characters interact well and there are plenty

[06/12/2015 05:09:31] Matthew Goulart: V the cast is small, but the characters are colorful

[06/12/2015 05:09:37] Matthew Goulart: They hit the spot

[06/12/2015 05:10:05] Matthew Goulart: IV has a big cast, with the main cast being some of my favorite characters ever

[06/12/2015 05:10:11] Matthew Goulart: III... Meh... I guess

[06/12/2015 05:10:23] Matthew Goulart: II is the worst FF in my opinion. It's sort of boring

[06/12/2015 05:10:36] Matthew Goulart: The characters on I don't speak

[06/12/2015 05:10:53] Matthew Goulart: X is prolly tied in first place with XII

[06/12/2015 05:11:01] Matthew Goulart: Love the characters and story

[06/12/2015 05:11:04] Matthew Goulart: XII is amazing

[06/12/2015 05:11:08] Matthew Goulart: OUTRIGHT AMAZING

[06/12/2015 05:11:15] Matthew Goulart: I love the setting and the characters

[06/12/2015 05:11:26] Matthew Goulart: Not to mention I really digged the battle system

[06/12/2015 05:11:37] Matthew Goulart: Those are my opinions for them all

[06/12/2015 05:11:45] Matthew Goulart: XI and XIV don't count

[06/12/2015 05:11:48] Matthew Goulart: They're online

[06/12/2015 05:13:05] Alex Jensen: I see.

[06/12/2015 05:13:31] Alex Jensen: Mind explaining who the pink haired girl is? I'm not seeing her in any of the cast lists for the game.

[06/12/2015 05:13:46] Alex Jensen: Not a hero, villain, or npc as far as I can tell.

[06/12/2015 05:14:02] Matthew Goulart: She is the "Main" character lol

[06/12/2015 05:14:06] Matthew Goulart: Lightning

[06/12/2015 05:14:19] Matthew Goulart: (Not her real name)

[06/12/2015 05:14:22] Alex Jensen: ...What? But it said the main was g uy.

[06/12/2015 05:14:25] Alex Jensen: *a guy

[06/12/2015 05:14:38] Matthew Goulart: Who is it?

[06/12/2015 05:14:43] Matthew Goulart: The name of the Guy?

[06/12/2015 05:15:06] Alex Jensen: Squall Leonhart, from what I've read.

[06/12/2015 05:15:14] Matthew Goulart: The fuck

[06/12/2015 05:15:21] Matthew Goulart: That's VIII then

[06/12/2015 05:15:31] Alex Jensen: I said it was 8.

[06/12/2015 05:15:38] Matthew Goulart: But there's no FFVIII for the xbox as far as I'm concerned

[06/12/2015 05:16:03] Alex Jensen: http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/games/final-fantasy-xiii/75085

[06/12/2015 05:16:16] Alex Jensen: That's what I have though.

[06/12/2015 05:16:16] Matthew Goulart: THis is XIII

[06/12/2015 05:16:24] Matthew Goulart: X I I I

[06/12/2015 05:16:30] Matthew Goulart: 13 in roman numerals

[06/12/2015 05:16:36] Matthew Goulart: That girl is lightning

[06/12/2015 05:16:50] Alex Jensen: Oh fucking hell... I misread the X as a messed up v...

[06/12/2015 05:16:58] Matthew Goulart: Nice

[06/12/2015 05:17:01] Matthew Goulart: Classy Alex haha

[06/12/2015 05:17:27] Alex Jensen: This is why I shouldn't be up and talking while sleepy haha.

[06/12/2015 05:18:27] Alex Jensen: Disregard my moment of derp, ok?

[06/12/2015 05:18:36] Matthew Goulart: Sure

[06/12/2015 05:19:16] Alex Jensen: So how is 13? I guess that might be good to know now that I figured out what I have haha.

[06/12/2015 05:19:31] Matthew Goulart: I told you how it is

[06/12/2015 05:22:12] Alex Jensen: You did not. I only see mention of IX, X, XI, XII, and XIV.

[06/12/2015 05:22:45] Matthew Goulart: For FFXIII.It ranks on a 8/10. It's pretty decent. Elaborated.

[06/12/2015 05:23:46] Alex Jensen: Oh ffs, I thought you were talking about VII when you said that since that's what I was mistakenly talking about.

[06/12/2015 05:24:05] Alex Jensen: Tonight is not my night for critical thinking...

[06/12/2015 05:24:45] Matthew Goulart: I have noticed haha

[06/12/2015 05:27:17] Alex Jensen: That might be a sign for me to go sleep before I do anything else.

[06/12/2015 05:27:32] Matthew Goulart: Up to you really

[06/12/2015 05:29:47] Alex Jensen: I think I will then.

[06/12/2015 05:31:12] Matthew Goulart: Okay

[06/12/2015 05:31:14] Matthew Goulart: Oyasuminasai

[06/12/2015 05:31:20] Alex Jensen: Oyasumi.

[06/12/2015 05:31:24] Alex Jensen: See you tomorrow?

[06/12/2015 05:32:01] Matthew Goulart: Definetely

[06/12/2015 05:32:19] Alex Jensen: Bye then.

[06/12/2015 05:32:49] Matthew Goulart: Ciao

[07/12/2015 00:52:14] Matthew Goulart: Hi hi he ho

[07/12/2015 00:56:46] Alex Jensen: Oh, hi.

[07/12/2015 01:00:34] Matthew Goulart: Sorry I'm late

[07/12/2015 01:00:39] Matthew Goulart: I was kinda busy

[07/12/2015 01:00:51] Alex Jensen: Well I'm still busy, so it's fine.

[07/12/2015 01:01:37] Alex Jensen: More or less have a site that functions but now I need to edit together the fine cut of my film reel.

[07/12/2015 01:02:02] Alex Jensen: Fine cuts are more or less the second-to-last version of an edit, by the way.

[07/12/2015 01:09:50] Alex Jensen: So what now?

[07/12/2015 01:13:04] Matthew Goulart: No idea

[07/12/2015 01:13:43] Alex Jensen: I've only got 28 more episodes left in P4, by the way.

[07/12/2015 01:14:09] Alex Jensen: Just beat Ameno-Sagiri or whatever it was called.

[07/12/2015 01:18:11] Matthew Goulart: Okay

[07/12/2015 01:18:32] Matthew Goulart: Now did you understand why it wasn't Adachi's fault?

[07/12/2015 01:19:23] Alex Jensen: Not really. He still wanted to do that of his own free will. Sagiri only took him over briefly and even when he left, Adachi was still disappointed that the fog was lifting.

[07/12/2015 01:19:31] Matthew Goulart: Nope

[07/12/2015 01:19:48] Matthew Goulart: Sagiri was the one who "awakened" his saddistic feelings and all

[07/12/2015 01:20:07] Matthew Goulart: You can notice it better in the anime

[07/12/2015 01:20:14] Matthew Goulart: His life is pretty boring

[07/12/2015 01:20:16] Alex Jensen: Awakened perhaps, but not created. Adachi still wanted it.

[07/12/2015 01:20:27] Matthew Goulart: Created is a better word

[07/12/2015 01:20:42] Matthew Goulart: You saw Namatame

[07/12/2015 01:20:52] Matthew Goulart: What made him do what he did was the Sagiri

[07/12/2015 01:20:58] Matthew Goulart: He is more of a murdere than adachi

[07/12/2015 01:21:04] Matthew Goulart: Yet, he is innocent

[07/12/2015 01:21:19] Matthew Goulart: While what Adachi did was indeed bad

[07/12/2015 01:21:24] Matthew Goulart: And partially his fault

[07/12/2015 01:21:31] Matthew Goulart: The big thing behing wasn't him

[07/12/2015 01:21:48] Matthew Goulart: The Sagiri depend on fog to cause confusion, desperation and stupid

[07/12/2015 01:21:51] Matthew Goulart: feelings

[07/12/2015 01:22:05] Alex Jensen: Sagiri itself admitted that it only follows the wishes of mankind.

[07/12/2015 01:22:08] Matthew Goulart: So, in the end, it wasn't really his fault

[07/12/2015 01:22:21] Matthew Goulart: Yes, exactly

[07/12/2015 01:22:31] Matthew Goulart: The wishes of everything around him contrasted into that

[07/12/2015 01:22:54] Matthew Goulart: A town where a mega mart is the only thing important, monotonous for him

[07/12/2015 01:23:03] Matthew Goulart: Made him despise his own liofe

[07/12/2015 01:23:05] Matthew Goulart: life*

[07/12/2015 01:23:23] Matthew Goulart: And that made Adachi simply hate himself, which turned him intop what he was

[07/12/2015 01:23:42] Matthew Goulart: But really, his personality in reality is that dumb clumsy detective you saw

[07/12/2015 01:24:40] Alex Jensen: Man, you're shifting way too much blame onto Sagiri. Adachi chose to do what he did and, while Sagiri did grant him the power to do so, it never made him do anything.

[07/12/2015 01:25:36] Matthew Goulart: HE DID

[07/12/2015 01:25:41] Matthew Goulart: You'll understand later on

[07/12/2015 01:25:54] Matthew Goulart: I hope you do notice

[07/12/2015 01:26:01] Matthew Goulart: Adachi does have fault in the thing

[07/12/2015 01:26:06] Matthew Goulart: Not saying he is innocent

[07/12/2015 01:26:11] Matthew Goulart: But the big blame is not his

[07/12/2015 01:26:35] Matthew Goulart: He still has about 25% of the fault

[07/12/2015 01:26:40] Matthew Goulart: But the big blame

[07/12/2015 01:26:42] Matthew Goulart: Not really his

[07/12/2015 01:27:27] Alex Jensen: Unless they add more evidence later, I think there's little chance of us agreeing on this.

[07/12/2015 01:28:15] Alex Jensen: I'm of the opinion that Namatame and Adachi are fully responsible for their actions.

[07/12/2015 01:28:33] Matthew Goulart: They are not.

[07/12/2015 01:28:39] Matthew Goulart: But yeah

[07/12/2015 01:28:42] Matthew Goulart: They do.

[07/12/2015 01:28:50] Matthew Goulart: Yu Narukami has fault in this too

[07/12/2015 01:29:09] Matthew Goulart: He is one that has a big part of the blame

[07/12/2015 01:29:50] Matthew Goulart: You also have to pay attetion to Adachi's WHOLE dialogue

[07/12/2015 01:29:50] Alex Jensen: That seems rather bullshit based on what I know now, honestly. But I guess it all depends on what they reveal later.

[07/12/2015 01:29:52] Matthew Goulart: During the game

[07/12/2015 01:29:58] Alex Jensen: And I have been.

[07/12/2015 01:31:18] Matthew Goulart: You can notice he barely meaned to do what he did

[07/12/2015 01:31:31] Matthew Goulart: I'm saying Sagiri all the time

[07/12/2015 01:31:37] Matthew Goulart: But the real perpetrator

[07/12/2015 01:31:43] Matthew Goulart: Is the real one to blame the most

[07/12/2015 01:33:46] Alex Jensen: I'm just not one to shift blame away from anybody, regardless of whether or not somebody else is using them.

[07/12/2015 01:34:16] Matthew Goulart: If someone convinced you of doing something bad and you thought it was good, you would be to blame

[07/12/2015 01:34:29] Matthew Goulart: However, I'm sure you would try to fix your actions, Correct?

[07/12/2015 01:35:04] Alex Jensen: Yes, but that doesn't mean I'm any less guilty. I'd still have to take full responsibility for what I personally did.

[07/12/2015 01:35:19] Matthew Goulart: Yes yes

[07/12/2015 01:35:29] Matthew Goulart: But you wouldn't really be the REAL one to blame

[07/12/2015 01:35:47] Matthew Goulart: If you did fix it in a way your good actions are bigger than your bad ones

[07/12/2015 01:35:58] Matthew Goulart: While Adachi CAN'T really fix his actions now

[07/12/2015 01:36:04] Matthew Goulart: Because he is in jail

[07/12/2015 01:36:14] Matthew Goulart: He still does help later.

[07/12/2015 01:36:17] Matthew Goulart: Namatame does

[07/12/2015 01:36:24] Matthew Goulart: On the epilogue

[07/12/2015 01:36:29] Matthew Goulart: Not telling how

[07/12/2015 01:36:32] Matthew Goulart: But he does

[07/12/2015 01:36:38] Matthew Goulart: Narukami does the same

[07/12/2015 01:36:41] Matthew Goulart: He does have blame

[07/12/2015 01:36:43] Matthew Goulart: quite a bit

[07/12/2015 01:36:54] Matthew Goulart: But he fixed it doing what he did

[07/12/2015 01:37:01] Matthew Goulart: Not saying they're less guilty

[07/12/2015 01:37:03] Matthew Goulart: They are

[07/12/2015 01:37:17] Matthew Goulart: But people who do good actions to "Kill" their bad ones

[07/12/2015 01:37:30] Matthew Goulart: Aren't bad people at all, specially when they were manipulated

[07/12/2015 01:37:52] Matthew Goulart: Which is the case with Adachi and Namatame and stuff

[07/12/2015 01:38:20] Alex Jensen: I don't see it that way.

[07/12/2015 01:38:32] Alex Jensen: Just how I view things.

[07/12/2015 01:38:42] Alex Jensen: I get what you're saying though.

[07/12/2015 01:39:10] Matthew Goulart: I know you do, you're smart

[07/12/2015 01:39:26] Alex Jensen: As are you, which is why I respect your opinion.

[07/12/2015 01:39:30] Matthew Goulart: Do you despise Adachi, however? Or would you be opposed to me using him?

[07/12/2015 01:39:47] Matthew Goulart: If you are I'm fine with it

[07/12/2015 01:39:52] Matthew Goulart: But most people like Adachi

[07/12/2015 01:40:28] Alex Jensen: I do hate him as a person, yes. But I also see why he is needed. And as a character, he is very well done.

[07/12/2015 01:41:02] Alex Jensen: I have no problems using him, as long as it's nothing ridiculous like making him into some sort of hero.

[07/12/2015 01:41:41] Alex Jensen: Or maybe that's a poor example. but I think you get what I mean.

[07/12/2015 01:42:51] Matthew Goulart: I'm not going to make him a hero

[07/12/2015 01:42:54] Matthew Goulart: But

[07/12/2015 01:43:01] Matthew Goulart: I'm going to make him atone for his sins

[07/12/2015 01:43:48] Alex Jensen: Atonement is fine, so long as his actions are not forgotten or vindicated.

[07/12/2015 01:43:59] Matthew Goulart: What you mean by vindicated?

[07/12/2015 01:44:30] Alex Jensen: Justification, forgiveness, acceptance, etc.

[07/12/2015 01:44:45] Matthew Goulart: He is forgiven by the cast. At least.

[07/12/2015 01:44:57] Alex Jensen: Is that canon?

[07/12/2015 01:45:01] Matthew Goulart: Yes

[07/12/2015 01:45:08] Matthew Goulart: Persona 4 Arena Ultimax

[07/12/2015 01:45:09] Alex Jensen: Then I will not complain.

[07/12/2015 01:45:18] Matthew Goulart: He does truly want to atone for his crimes

[07/12/2015 01:45:28] Matthew Goulart: And shows an immense amount of Selflessness

[07/12/2015 01:46:08] Matthew Goulart: He does still tease people, but his normal personality of clumsy and stuff still retains

[07/12/2015 01:46:28] Alex Jensen: So long as something is canon, I can't object. But a complete justification will be pretty much be where I draw the line.

[07/12/2015 01:46:40] Matthew Goulart: Don't worry about that

[07/12/2015 01:46:44] Matthew Goulart: But I'll say this

[07/12/2015 01:47:03] Matthew Goulart: Narukami has as much blame as he does. He just wasn't involved in killing someone

[07/12/2015 01:47:25] Alex Jensen: Technically he did kill, actually.

[07/12/2015 01:47:43] Alex Jensen: Nanako was legally dead for a short time, even if she was eventually revived.

[07/12/2015 01:48:10] Matthew Goulart: It wasn't his fault though. Well.... it was, but very indirectly

[07/12/2015 01:48:10] Alex Jensen: But I do agree that he and Adachi are equally guilty.

[07/12/2015 01:48:25] Matthew Goulart: Oh, you'll see why I'm saying he is guilty

[07/12/2015 01:48:29] Matthew Goulart: Later on

[07/12/2015 01:48:35] Matthew Goulart: For now enjoy the chill moments

[07/12/2015 01:48:45] Matthew Goulart: There aren't any dungeons until the very end

[07/12/2015 01:49:03] Alex Jensen: I would if SuperJeenius would stop choosing Rise for every damn holiday haha.

[07/12/2015 01:49:23] Matthew Goulart: Wanna watch someone else's?

[07/12/2015 01:49:35] Matthew Goulart: NicoB has every single girl

[07/12/2015 01:49:39] Matthew Goulart: He shows them all

[07/12/2015 01:49:45] Alex Jensen: Nah, I already watched one with who I actually wanted.

[07/12/2015 01:49:58] Matthew Goulart: You should really watch with them all

[07/12/2015 01:50:03] Matthew Goulart: It is PRETTY sweet

[07/12/2015 01:50:13] Matthew Goulart: Which holiday is it? New years?

[07/12/2015 01:50:41] Alex Jensen: Just got done with it.

[07/12/2015 01:50:49] Matthew Goulart: Yeah I remenber he choosing Rise

[07/12/2015 01:50:57] Alex Jensen: And for x-mas...

[07/12/2015 01:51:07] Matthew Goulart: He actually chooses between Naoto, Rise and Chie all the time

[07/12/2015 01:51:21] Alex Jensen: Not for those two. He did only Rise.

[07/12/2015 01:51:22] Matthew Goulart: To make the waifu wars in the comments less of a war

[07/12/2015 01:51:31] Matthew Goulart: Yeah

[07/12/2015 01:51:34] Matthew Goulart: He likes Rise

[07/12/2015 01:51:40] Alex Jensen: vomits

[07/12/2015 01:51:42] Matthew Goulart: But he admitted that his waifu choice

[07/12/2015 01:51:49] Matthew Goulart: For most holidays

[07/12/2015 01:52:00] Matthew Goulart: Was using a Random Number Generator

[07/12/2015 01:52:12] Matthew Goulart: So that people wouldn't get mad at him

[07/12/2015 01:52:20] Matthew Goulart: This was on a tweet after the last episode I believe

[07/12/2015 01:52:43] Matthew Goulart: He said he never included Yukiko because no one really likes her

[07/12/2015 01:52:48] Matthew Goulart: Poor Yuki

[07/12/2015 01:52:54] Alex Jensen: Yeah.

[07/12/2015 01:53:04] Alex Jensen: Guess that means Teddy has a chance.

[07/12/2015 01:53:19] Matthew Goulart: It would be legit funny to see her with Teddy

[07/12/2015 01:53:58] Matthew Goulart: Don't worry though, there is still an event with Naoto later on

[07/12/2015 01:54:01] Alex Jensen: I think she'd be more likely do date Hanao than that pervy bear.

[07/12/2015 01:54:06] Alex Jensen: *to

[07/12/2015 01:54:10] Alex Jensen: *Hanako

[07/12/2015 01:54:14] Alex Jensen: And also, yay!

[07/12/2015 01:54:27] Alex Jensen: Please tell me it's Valentines Day...

[07/12/2015 01:54:28] Matthew Goulart: It's a funny one

[07/12/2015 01:54:31] Matthew Goulart: No it's not

[07/12/2015 01:54:37] Matthew Goulart: Chie is Valentine's

[07/12/2015 01:54:49] Matthew Goulart: "Well... Chie, you were the first!"

[07/12/2015 01:54:56] Matthew Goulart: Was what he said

[07/12/2015 01:55:19] Alex Jensen: Figures.

[07/12/2015 01:55:21] Matthew Goulart: Do what I do and go watch them all

[07/12/2015 01:55:29] Matthew Goulart: I watch even Rise's one

[07/12/2015 01:55:32] Matthew Goulart: And I despise her

[07/12/2015 01:58:14] Alex Jensen: Excuse me for a minute.

[07/12/2015 02:01:30] Matthew Goulart: BRB as well.

[07/12/2015 02:01:45] Matthew Goulart: Also, I thought of a good thing we can do to spice the fic up.

[07/12/2015 02:01:51] Matthew Goulart: I'll tell you once we're both back

[07/12/2015 02:11:00] Matthew Goulart: Ok I'm back.

[07/12/2015 02:11:20] Alex Jensen: So what was it you came up with?

[07/12/2015 02:12:41] Matthew Goulart: So,the other bad people, we say

[07/12/2015 02:12:56] Matthew Goulart: The other threat

[07/12/2015 02:12:58] Matthew Goulart: That's  better

[07/12/2015 02:13:07] Matthew Goulart: Would be a group of persona-users

[07/12/2015 02:13:22] Matthew Goulart: That would be going around killing other persona-users.

[07/12/2015 02:13:37] Matthew Goulart: I still don't have a very solid reason for it

[07/12/2015 02:13:56] Matthew Goulart: But I felt like this was a good enough one to go for

[07/12/2015 02:14:30] Matthew Goulart: So, this group of peronsa-users

[07/12/2015 02:14:42] Matthew Goulart: Would obviously be going for Narukami

[07/12/2015 02:14:50] Matthew Goulart: When they killed his parents.

[07/12/2015 02:14:59] Matthew Goulart: As they would assume he would be back home

[07/12/2015 02:15:06] Matthew Goulart: So anyway

[07/12/2015 02:15:34] Matthew Goulart: I'm not sure of specifics and stuff yet

[07/12/2015 02:15:47] Matthew Goulart: But I feel like this could go for a nice plot and stuff

[07/12/2015 02:15:57] Matthew Goulart: Of course, we need to come with a reason

[07/12/2015 02:16:08] Matthew Goulart: And I don't really want to make this Strega 2.0

[07/12/2015 02:17:02] Matthew Goulart: Like, make them kill and do stuff for like "We gotta bring the fall, kill the world"

[07/12/2015 02:17:12] Matthew Goulart: They would target specifically persona-users

[07/12/2015 02:17:44] Matthew Goulart: I guess a reason we could give would be that they want somewhat control over society, duee to persona users being obviously stronger than normal humans

[07/12/2015 02:18:10] Matthew Goulart: And due to the exclusion and though life persona-users generally experience

[07/12/2015 02:18:29] Matthew Goulart: I think it wouldn't be a bad shot

[07/12/2015 02:18:42] Matthew Goulart: What do you think? I wanna improve this as much as I can

[07/12/2015 02:19:24] Alex Jensen: Well you already said my biggest concern.

[07/12/2015 02:19:53] Alex Jensen: The same basic idea was done with Strega, which wouldn't be as bad if not for the fact that we are using P3 as well.

[07/12/2015 02:20:31] Alex Jensen: But most of these games seem to have rogue persona users anyway, so it might work.

[07/12/2015 02:21:18] Alex Jensen: I'm torn between the idea of them supporting a "persona user mater race" like you said or a self-loathing "we should not exist" faction.

[07/12/2015 02:21:34] Alex Jensen: *master

[07/12/2015 02:21:50] Matthew Goulart: I think a mix of both

[07/12/2015 02:21:53] Matthew Goulart: Can work

[07/12/2015 02:22:04] Alex Jensen: The ideas aren't compatable.

[07/12/2015 02:22:08] Matthew Goulart: Oh, they are

[07/12/2015 02:22:13] Matthew Goulart: Here we go

[07/12/2015 02:22:16] Alex Jensen: Not the way I'm thinking.

[07/12/2015 02:22:26] Matthew Goulart: Nope, but the conflict between the two can

[07/12/2015 02:22:47] Matthew Goulart: So, persona-users could be of some knowledge from a few people

[07/12/2015 02:23:02] Alex Jensen: Huh?

[07/12/2015 02:23:29] Matthew Goulart: You know, people that do experimentations and stuff. This would be

[07/12/2015 02:23:40] Matthew Goulart: voluntary at first, of course

[07/12/2015 02:24:06] Matthew Goulart: However, due to a few things that may have went wrong and stuff, maybe a certain organization, similar to the Kirijo Group

[07/12/2015 02:24:17] Matthew Goulart: Could consider persona users a bad thing

[07/12/2015 02:24:37] Matthew Goulart: And that they bring death whenever they are close

[07/12/2015 02:24:45] Matthew Goulart: And that they're overall a danger to society

[07/12/2015 02:25:39] Matthew Goulart: Now, this group would not be the one responsible for the killings

[07/12/2015 02:25:58] Matthew Goulart: But maybe it could do an announcement or hunt persona users for experimentaion

[07/12/2015 02:26:01] Matthew Goulart: Something of the sort

[07/12/2015 02:26:20] Matthew Goulart: And then, those ommited persona users could be between the verge of

[07/12/2015 02:26:59] Matthew Goulart: "They are right, our existance brings bad thing to society" and "Why should we cower down and lower our heads when we are stronger?"

[07/12/2015 02:27:02] Matthew Goulart: Kind of thing

[07/12/2015 02:27:46] Matthew Goulart: So those ommited persona users would riot against said group or whatever

[07/12/2015 02:27:51] Matthew Goulart: And seek revenge on them

[07/12/2015 02:28:09] Matthew Goulart: Of course, this group in exchange would seek war against those persona users, so to speak

[07/12/2015 02:28:46] Matthew Goulart: So, those persona users would go around in order to recruit more people, while at the same time

[07/12/2015 02:29:16] Matthew Goulart: Going for a kill on those persona users who they see as the "cause" of them being considered bad people

[07/12/2015 02:29:54] Matthew Goulart: Hence why they go to narukami, as they would research what happened and associate the murders in inaba to the persona users there

[07/12/2015 02:30:02] Matthew Goulart: I'm not so sure about this

[07/12/2015 02:30:11] Matthew Goulart: But I'm sure that from all this blabber

[07/12/2015 02:30:19] Matthew Goulart: We can extract something we can use

[07/12/2015 02:30:29] Matthew Goulart: Some of it doesn't make much sense, I'm aware

[07/12/2015 02:30:39] Matthew Goulart: I'm writing this as the ideas come

[07/12/2015 02:30:48] Matthew Goulart: So... help? :3

[07/12/2015 02:30:53] Matthew Goulart: Stupid cat

[07/12/2015 02:30:57] Matthew Goulart: : 3 *

[07/12/2015 02:31:14] Alex Jensen: Well I'm going to say right off that I don't like this idea, no offense.

[07/12/2015 02:31:37] Matthew Goulart: I don't much either

[07/12/2015 02:31:42] Matthew Goulart: As I said, writing as I go

[07/12/2015 02:32:20] Alex Jensen: The idea of them wanting to conquer and rule due to some sort of perceived superiority requires far too much pride, while the idea of wanting to eliminate their own because of a self hatred implies total lack of pride.

[07/12/2015 02:32:58] Alex Jensen: So before me do anything, we need to decide which of these is the better option or, if neither are, what might be a good idea.

[07/12/2015 02:34:15] Alex Jensen: The idea of them being self-loathing seems a little too similar to Adachi's own motives. So that's a negative.

[07/12/2015 02:36:00] Alex Jensen: On the other hand, the idea of a "master race" might not work as well because of the limitations that persona users hold in the real world.

[07/12/2015 02:36:52] Matthew Goulart: We are going to find a few ways to cut that away

[07/12/2015 02:37:14] Matthew Goulart: I mean, it is as easy as giving everybody evokers

[07/12/2015 02:37:31] Matthew Goulart: And I'm sure a group of 9-10 of them can easily raid a Kirijo Group Lab

[07/12/2015 02:38:56] Alex Jensen: I'm not so sure of that. The Kirijo's are known to have very good security (conventional and supernatural) and unless this group can already use their personas, I see little way they can gain an upper hand.

[07/12/2015 02:39:33] Matthew Goulart: Well, as long as 2 or 3 have evokers

[07/12/2015 02:39:37] Matthew Goulart: And they go into groups

[07/12/2015 02:39:41] Matthew Goulart: That can happen

[07/12/2015 02:39:53] Matthew Goulart: It's not like they can't "share" an evoker

[07/12/2015 02:40:13] Alex Jensen: But where would they get them to begin with? It's not like you can just buy them at the nearest hardware store.

[07/12/2015 02:42:29] Matthew Goulart: Getting them from other persona users.

[07/12/2015 02:42:37] Matthew Goulart: That would have them

[07/12/2015 02:42:53] Matthew Goulart: Perhaps, one of said persona users

[07/12/2015 02:43:07] Matthew Goulart: could initially have connections to the Kirijo Group

[07/12/2015 02:43:16] Matthew Goulart: Or be a friend of one of them

[07/12/2015 02:43:23] Matthew Goulart: We can figure this out

[07/12/2015 02:43:37] Alex Jensen: That's what we're doing right now.

[07/12/2015 02:45:12] Matthew Goulart: You only need one to have an evoker to begin with

[07/12/2015 02:46:04] Matthew Goulart: As long as you remenber from the answer, the P3 people put all their evokers in a single place

[07/12/2015 02:46:09] Matthew Goulart: Except Makoto's

[07/12/2015 02:46:14] Matthew Goulart: Which stayed with Aigis

[07/12/2015 02:46:50] Alex Jensen: I could have sworn that they took them back in the end because they resolved to try and protect things still.

[07/12/2015 02:47:01] Matthew Goulart: Did they?

[07/12/2015 02:47:03] Matthew Goulart: If so even better

[07/12/2015 02:47:07] Alex Jensen: Pretty sure they did.

[07/12/2015 02:47:17] Matthew Goulart: Good

[07/12/2015 02:47:20] Alex Jensen: Don't quote me though.

[07/12/2015 02:47:26] Matthew Goulart: I'll watch it later again

[07/12/2015 02:47:40] Matthew Goulart: But saying that they have it makes this easier

[07/12/2015 02:47:48] Alex Jensen: How?

[07/12/2015 02:48:37] Matthew Goulart: Since they don't CARRY their evokers around, but they do have them SOMEWHERE

[07/12/2015 02:48:43] Matthew Goulart: Where they live and stuff

[07/12/2015 02:49:02] Matthew Goulart: So, this requires one of them to have contact with any of them

[07/12/2015 02:49:17] Matthew Goulart: Junpei is a good one since he is a big baseball player

[07/12/2015 02:50:01] Alex Jensen: So one is stolen? Is that what you mean?

[07/12/2015 02:50:09] Matthew Goulart: Initially, yes

[07/12/2015 02:50:20] Matthew Goulart: Then a group of 2 or 3

[07/12/2015 02:50:33] Matthew Goulart: Aquire more when a lab is under low security

[07/12/2015 02:50:50] Matthew Goulart: We could use the time that Aigis is Away

[07/12/2015 02:50:53] Matthew Goulart: To accomplish this

[07/12/2015 02:51:16] Alex Jensen: Seems like the theft of several evokers would make security go up, if anything else.

[07/12/2015 02:51:30] Alex Jensen: Mitsuru is pretty paranoid and now she runs things.

[07/12/2015 02:51:58] Matthew Goulart: Well, Aigis' one would be the only one that they would notice

[07/12/2015 02:52:29] Matthew Goulart: The other evoker could be not noticeable due to the person who stole also incapacitating the person they stole it from

[07/12/2015 02:53:12] Alex Jensen: They'd still notice though. I say keep it to one only.

[07/12/2015 02:53:24] Alex Jensen: To counter this, I had an idea about the leader.

[07/12/2015 02:53:31] Alex Jensen: Make them a wild card.

[07/12/2015 02:53:37] Matthew Goulart: Of course

[07/12/2015 02:53:44] Alex Jensen: He/she is the sole person to raid.

[07/12/2015 02:53:56] Alex Jensen: Keeps things low-profile before yet gives them firepower.

[07/12/2015 02:54:00] Matthew Goulart: Hum... I guess that can work

[07/12/2015 02:54:14] Alex Jensen: Or rather, they are the sole one to smash the defenses.

[07/12/2015 02:54:30] Alex Jensen: Clear a path for their followers to arm themselves.

[07/12/2015 02:54:48] Alex Jensen: Not necessarily solo the entire thing.

[07/12/2015 02:55:00] Matthew Goulart: I like that

[07/12/2015 02:55:11] Alex Jensen: Ok.

[07/12/2015 02:55:29] Alex Jensen: Want to make the person a female, just for the sake of making things different?

[07/12/2015 02:55:42] Matthew Goulart: I was going to, actually

[07/12/2015 02:55:54] Matthew Goulart: But well, there is something that you need to know

[07/12/2015 02:56:34] Matthew Goulart: In Persona Q (which is canon)

[07/12/2015 02:56:57] Matthew Goulart: The aglomeration of Wild Card users causes an anomaly to other persona-users around them

[07/12/2015 02:57:11] Matthew Goulart: This is not permanent in Persona Q

[07/12/2015 02:57:33] Matthew Goulart: But We only had 2 Wild Cards there (Velvet Room Residents don't count)

[07/12/2015 02:57:51] Matthew Goulart: This anomaly makes all persona users be unable to change their persona

[07/12/2015 02:58:00] Matthew Goulart: But let's them all wield a second persona

[07/12/2015 02:58:23] Alex Jensen: Since when?

[07/12/2015 02:58:24] Matthew Goulart: Which is interchangeable

[07/12/2015 02:58:40] Matthew Goulart: Since when what?

[07/12/2015 02:59:17] Alex Jensen: Since when was that a thing? Until now a normal user's persona only evolves. It never out right swaps.

[07/12/2015 02:59:31] Matthew Goulart: As I said

[07/12/2015 02:59:40] Matthew Goulart: When 2 wild card users come together that happens

[07/12/2015 02:59:46] Alex Jensen: Oh, ok.

[07/12/2015 02:59:55] Alex Jensen: Yeah, that never happened before.

[07/12/2015 02:59:59] Matthew Goulart: Makoto and Yu are eventually going to be together

[07/12/2015 03:00:03] Matthew Goulart: In Persona Q that happened

[07/12/2015 03:00:16] Matthew Goulart: Because the story of Q is inbetween both 4 and 3

[07/12/2015 03:00:31] Matthew Goulart: They pulled some time-space thing

[07/12/2015 03:00:38] Matthew Goulart: Hard to explain

[07/12/2015 03:00:40] Alex Jensen: Actually, it's going to happen a hell of a lot sooner than Makoto.

[07/12/2015 03:00:44] Alex Jensen: Aigis is a wild card.

[07/12/2015 03:00:52] Matthew Goulart: Yes, yes

[07/12/2015 03:00:53] Alex Jensen: And they meet pretty much in the beginning.

[07/12/2015 03:01:06] Matthew Goulart: Yes yes

[07/12/2015 03:01:12] Matthew Goulart: So

[07/12/2015 03:01:37] Matthew Goulart: If two Wild cards cause the users to be able to not switch personas, but wield two

[07/12/2015 03:01:45] Matthew Goulart: Although only while they are close to eachother

[07/12/2015 03:01:49] Matthew Goulart: What would 4 do?

[07/12/2015 03:02:06] Alex Jensen: Bad shit?

[07/12/2015 03:02:30] Matthew Goulart: I don't wanna pull a Deus Ex and says everybody can change personas, cause that would be sorta BS

[07/12/2015 03:02:40] Matthew Goulart: I mean, everyone be Wild Card

[07/12/2015 03:02:55] Matthew Goulart: But we need to make something happen

[07/12/2015 03:03:01] Matthew Goulart: Now, this "second persona"

[07/12/2015 03:03:11] Matthew Goulart: everybody is able to wield while there is two Wild cards

[07/12/2015 03:03:19] Matthew Goulart: Is a "Passive" persona

[07/12/2015 03:03:47] Matthew Goulart: They serve for the purpose of only making them stronger, but they can't really be summoned for battle and all

[07/12/2015 03:03:53] Matthew Goulart: They do grant new abilities

[07/12/2015 03:03:58] Matthew Goulart: Tho

[07/12/2015 03:04:54] Alex Jensen: So basically everybody gets to have their own personal Rise or Fuuka supporting them.

[07/12/2015 03:05:17] Matthew Goulart: No, they're not sensorial personas

[07/12/2015 03:05:28] Alex Jensen: I meant in the terms of how they support.

[07/12/2015 03:05:34] Matthew Goulart: A bit

[07/12/2015 03:05:37] Alex Jensen: Rise does a lot more than sense shit.

[07/12/2015 03:05:41] Alex Jensen: But never fights.

[07/12/2015 03:05:47] Alex Jensen: Like that.

[07/12/2015 03:05:48] Matthew Goulart: It's confusing to explain

[07/12/2015 03:05:55] Matthew Goulart: But you see what I mean

[07/12/2015 03:05:58] Matthew Goulart: if 2 make that

[07/12/2015 03:06:04] Matthew Goulart: Maybe 3 could make the change permanent

[07/12/2015 03:06:06] Matthew Goulart: And 4...

[07/12/2015 03:06:11] Matthew Goulart: Not sure?

[07/12/2015 03:06:44] Alex Jensen: It could make it so they cannot wield/control the personas.

[07/12/2015 03:06:55] Alex Jensen: Kind of makes sense.

[07/12/2015 03:07:06] Alex Jensen: You're overloading their abilities.

[07/12/2015 03:07:10] Matthew Goulart: Nah, that would be bad

[07/12/2015 03:07:28] Matthew Goulart: We can't do  that since for most of the story they're going to conflict

[07/12/2015 03:07:38] Matthew Goulart: Which means this would be a hassle for us more than anything

[07/12/2015 03:08:43] Alex Jensen: I was thinking that it would affect both sides equally and leave it up to the wild cards to duke it out in an epic fight.

[07/12/2015 03:08:57] Matthew Goulart: Nah, that would be bad

[07/12/2015 03:09:13] Matthew Goulart: Let's avoid "Wild Cards users are MVP, he rest won't matter in the final fight"

[07/12/2015 03:09:39] Matthew Goulart: Cause I hate when they pull that Main Character Coat that makes them the MVP and the only ones able to do something

[07/12/2015 03:09:56] Alex Jensen: Then how about a less drastic version?

[07/12/2015 03:11:38] Alex Jensen: The "extras" go berserk and need to be put down by the originals. Could be that something is enticing these personas to attack their users and the added stress of needing to control 3x than what they are used to makes their control less complete.

[07/12/2015 03:11:53] Alex Jensen: So they need to defend their friends from their own personas.

[07/12/2015 03:12:42] Alex Jensen: It could also tie into a larger threat than the rogue users.

[07/12/2015 03:13:16] Alex Jensen: Some mysterious force that used both sides to gain an army and wipe out its opposition in one fight.

[07/12/2015 03:13:51] Matthew Goulart: I don't know. I don't like that all that much

[07/12/2015 03:14:36] Alex Jensen: Well it can't be all good news that 4 of these people come together.

[07/12/2015 03:14:59] Matthew Goulart: I don't think it should be good news

[07/12/2015 03:14:59] Alex Jensen: Too much power in one area is bound to do some less than pleasant things.

[07/12/2015 03:15:09] Matthew Goulart: But I also don't forsee it being outright terrible

[07/12/2015 03:15:16] Matthew Goulart: Like Personas going berserk and stuff

[07/12/2015 03:15:31] Matthew Goulart: On the Makoto main arc elizabeth will give them some training

[07/12/2015 03:15:47] Matthew Goulart: On how to use their persona to make their human selves stronger

[07/12/2015 03:15:54] Matthew Goulart: Because she obviously does that

[07/12/2015 03:16:20] Alex Jensen: The training could be why they maintain their main personas while the rogues lose everything.

[07/12/2015 03:17:14] Matthew Goulart: But that would be too convinient

[07/12/2015 03:18:13] Alex Jensen: If you haven't noticed, the main games are full of stuff like that.

[07/12/2015 03:18:42] Matthew Goulart: Yeah, but I don't want plot convinience for the sake of plot convinience

[07/12/2015 03:19:26] Alex Jensen: Then feel free to come up with something else or help change my idea. I'm pretty much out of ideas.

[07/12/2015 03:19:53] Alex Jensen: My creativity is more or less dead from all my homework haha.

[07/12/2015 03:20:05] Matthew Goulart: Hehe

[07/12/2015 03:20:57] Matthew Goulart: Well

[07/12/2015 03:21:11] Matthew Goulart: They could influence the area around them a little more

[07/12/2015 03:21:20] Matthew Goulart: So the enviroment perhaps could be affected

[07/12/2015 03:22:12] Matthew Goulart: I don't know, maybe shadows would start spawning out of nowhere?

[07/12/2015 03:23:05] Alex Jensen: Too simple/boring.

[07/12/2015 03:23:27] Alex Jensen: And not really connected to the other known effcts.

[07/12/2015 03:23:32] Alex Jensen: *effects

[07/12/2015 03:24:10] Alex Jensen: And I think that's important. The consequences need to be along the same lines as the benefits.

[07/12/2015 03:24:31] Matthew Goulart: Okay.

[07/12/2015 03:24:37] Matthew Goulart: So, 1 Wild Card, Normal

[07/12/2015 03:25:14] Matthew Goulart: 2 Wild Card, Two persona usage, Main being fixed, second one being interchangeable, but only granting new skills abilities and etc. This is temporary

[07/12/2015 03:26:06] Matthew Goulart: 3 Wild Card, Makes 2 Wild Card permanent, and maybe we can have another bad thing happen (not Sure).

[07/12/2015 03:26:45] Matthew Goulart: 4 Wild Card could simply make personas extremely difficult to control but not the the point you said as if they were berserk

[07/12/2015 03:27:36] Alex Jensen: If none go berserk though, then that doesn't do much. At least a couple ought to be nuts so we clearly define the consequence.

[07/12/2015 03:27:46] Matthew Goulart: At the start

[07/12/2015 03:27:52] Matthew Goulart: I'm sure that could happen

[07/12/2015 03:28:10] Matthew Goulart: I mean, most wouldn't be used to it

[07/12/2015 03:28:21] Alex Jensen: Have those with a weaker personality or sense of self go first.

[07/12/2015 03:28:26] Matthew Goulart: Maybe also drain more out of the user's stamina

[07/12/2015 03:28:33] Matthew Goulart: Sure

[07/12/2015 03:28:39] Matthew Goulart: This could be something similar

[07/12/2015 03:28:46] Matthew Goulart: To what happened to Shinji

[07/12/2015 03:28:47] Alex Jensen: Then the ones with not enough mental stamina.

[07/12/2015 03:28:56] Matthew Goulart: He would be partially unable to control the persona

[07/12/2015 03:28:59] Matthew Goulart: But still use it

[07/12/2015 03:29:46] Alex Jensen: That would only affect the ones who do not fit the previous 2 categories, I think.

[07/12/2015 03:30:04] Alex Jensen: It also places a slight time limit to how much power they can use.

[07/12/2015 03:30:34] Alex Jensen: The weakest just outright can't, but even the more powerful ones will struggle as time goes on.

[07/12/2015 03:30:51] Alex Jensen: Except those used to controlling a bunch.

[07/12/2015 03:30:58] Alex Jensen: Sound about right?

[07/12/2015 03:31:27] Matthew Goulart: I guess that works

[07/12/2015 03:31:44] Matthew Goulart: We can make some like Ken and Koro not be able to

[07/12/2015 03:31:54] Matthew Goulart: Since they are a young person and a dog

[07/12/2015 03:32:36] Matthew Goulart: Also, the Persona 1 and 2 characters would be targets. They can't summon personas anymore, by the way

[07/12/2015 03:32:55] Alex Jensen: You lost me with that.

[07/12/2015 03:33:09] Alex Jensen: Since when are they being tossed in?

[07/12/2015 03:33:26] Matthew Goulart: Same universe

[07/12/2015 03:33:33] Matthew Goulart: They all exist in the same universe

[07/12/2015 03:33:41] Matthew Goulart: They're all probably going to die

[07/12/2015 03:33:41] Alex Jensen: I'm aware.

[07/12/2015 03:34:13] Alex Jensen: But just because they exist doesn't mean they have to be included. Even less so if they have no more powers.

[07/12/2015 03:34:32] Matthew Goulart: But they were persona users

[07/12/2015 03:34:36] Matthew Goulart: They have "potential"

[07/12/2015 03:34:43] Matthew Goulart: And if they are targeting persona users

[07/12/2015 03:34:48] Matthew Goulart: They are obvious targets

[07/12/2015 03:35:01] Matthew Goulart: As their persona usage was straight out gone into public

[07/12/2015 03:35:04] Matthew Goulart: Somewhat

[07/12/2015 03:35:32] Matthew Goulart: As they were featured as terrorists with supernatural powers

[07/12/2015 03:36:15] Alex Jensen: You said it yourself: they can't wield anymore. The rogues wouldn't care what normal humans (in their eyes anyway) do. They're looking for control.

[07/12/2015 03:37:18] Alex Jensen: Killing normal humans doesn't serve their goals.

[07/12/2015 03:37:26] Matthew Goulart: Oh no

[07/12/2015 03:37:29] Matthew Goulart: They still have personas

[07/12/2015 03:37:33] Matthew Goulart: They can't use them

[07/12/2015 03:38:07] Matthew Goulart: They don't have evokers, is what I meant

[07/12/2015 03:38:11] Matthew Goulart: Easy targets

[07/12/2015 03:38:25] Alex Jensen: Oh, you just meant they're useless in the real qworld.

[07/12/2015 03:38:28] Alex Jensen: *world

[07/12/2015 03:38:30] Matthew Goulart: Yes

[07/12/2015 03:38:37] Matthew Goulart: By the way

[07/12/2015 03:38:38] Alex Jensen: Got to explain that better then.

[07/12/2015 03:38:43] Matthew Goulart: Sorry

[07/12/2015 03:38:54] Matthew Goulart: Let me clear some stuff out about them then

[07/12/2015 03:39:12] Matthew Goulart: So, Persona 1 and 2 characters can summon personas anytime at their will in the games, in the real world

[07/12/2015 03:39:19] Matthew Goulart: There is only one reason for that

[07/12/2015 03:39:46] Matthew Goulart: Philemon and Nyarlathotep

[07/12/2015 03:39:59] Matthew Goulart: Two gods were, with REALLY BIG QUOTES

[07/12/2015 03:40:07] Matthew Goulart: Playing a game with humans

[07/12/2015 03:40:37] Matthew Goulart: Where they wanted to see wether they would rise as elightened beings or destroy themselves

[07/12/2015 03:40:53] Matthew Goulart: Thus, their presence made demons and such roam the world

[07/12/2015 03:41:08] Matthew Goulart: And people to develop persona powers upon playing the "Persona Game"

[07/12/2015 03:41:21] Matthew Goulart: A game that came true upon a rumor

[07/12/2015 03:41:29] Matthew Goulart: On Sumaru City

[07/12/2015 03:41:49] Matthew Goulart: Because of that, Philemon granted them the ability to summon personas

[07/12/2015 03:41:59] Matthew Goulart: However, after that the second games

[07/12/2015 03:42:23] Matthew Goulart: Philemon and Nyarlathotep

[07/12/2015 03:42:35] Matthew Goulart: Retreat to whatever realm they are from

[07/12/2015 03:42:51] Matthew Goulart: And the ability to use personas is lifted from people, obviously

[07/12/2015 03:43:01] Matthew Goulart: So that is why personas can't be used in the real world really

[07/12/2015 03:43:21] Matthew Goulart: Philemon however is the "master" of Igor and all Velvet room related things

[07/12/2015 03:43:30] Matthew Goulart: But due to his bet with Nyarla

[07/12/2015 03:43:36] Matthew Goulart: He won't interfere

[07/12/2015 03:43:59] Matthew Goulart: This is why the persona 1 and 2 can't really do shit mainly

[07/12/2015 03:44:07] Matthew Goulart: And why they are easy targets

[07/12/2015 03:44:21] Matthew Goulart: Just wanted to clarify a bit of Persona 1 and 2 to you

[07/12/2015 03:44:24] Matthew Goulart: Questions?

[07/12/2015 03:44:34] Alex Jensen: I'm so confused...

[07/12/2015 03:45:06] Alex Jensen: Can we just not use that stuff?

[07/12/2015 03:45:12] Matthew Goulart: We're not

[07/12/2015 03:45:17] Matthew Goulart: I'm just clarifying it

[07/12/2015 03:45:21] Matthew Goulart: It's not important

[07/12/2015 03:45:37] Alex Jensen: But you just said we were using P1 and 2

[07/12/2015 03:45:39] Matthew Goulart: Just gave you some extra logic for maybe being used in an idea perhaps

[07/12/2015 03:45:46] Matthew Goulart: We aren't

[07/12/2015 03:45:54] Matthew Goulart: We're just going to use character names as targets

[07/12/2015 03:45:58] Matthew Goulart: They won't appear at all

[07/12/2015 03:46:22] Alex Jensen: Then why bother at all? Just say they're targeting users in general.

[07/12/2015 03:46:39] Matthew Goulart: Just to show evidence to readers

[07/12/2015 03:46:45] Alex Jensen: Making it specific just means more work for no real reason.

[07/12/2015 03:46:55] Matthew Goulart: Not really

[07/12/2015 03:47:07] Matthew Goulart: When Mitsuru points out that a series of murders have happened

[07/12/2015 03:47:21] Matthew Goulart: She would just put some papers with pics on the table

[07/12/2015 03:47:28] Matthew Goulart: And Yu would glimpse and read some names

[07/12/2015 03:47:42] Matthew Goulart: And Mitsuru would clarify that they were all persona users

[07/12/2015 03:47:55] Matthew Goulart: Not really anything else

[07/12/2015 03:48:03] Matthew Goulart: Plus, it's better than making names up haha

[07/12/2015 03:48:19] Matthew Goulart: None of them were Wild Cards, just FYI

[07/12/2015 03:48:54] Alex Jensen: The names are irrelevant though. And if it's Mitsuru, she'd be even more likely just to throw out raw stats. "In the past month, these bastards killed x number of people."

[07/12/2015 03:49:16] Alex Jensen: If our cast new these people it would make more sense.

[07/12/2015 03:49:23] Alex Jensen: Get them personally involved.

[07/12/2015 03:49:29] Matthew Goulart: Two stubborn people are hard to agree on this hahaha

[07/12/2015 03:50:09] Alex Jensen: You're just noticing that? I knew that when we started that stupid SAO fic haha.

[07/12/2015 03:50:19] Matthew Goulart: Right

[07/12/2015 03:50:30] Matthew Goulart: IDK, we worry about it when we worry about it

[07/12/2015 03:50:37] Matthew Goulart: I just think would like the reference

[07/12/2015 03:51:13] Matthew Goulart: I just think people would like the reference*

[07/12/2015 03:51:52] Alex Jensen: Depends on people. But I'm working from the perspective of a writer: if it ain't critical, spend that time on something that is.

[07/12/2015 03:52:19] Matthew Goulart: You say like a line of names on Yu's thoughts takes time

[07/12/2015 03:52:24] Matthew Goulart: But yeah let's move on

[07/12/2015 03:52:39] Alex Jensen: I actually need to get dinner.

[07/12/2015 03:52:51] Alex Jensen: Haven't eaten in 9 hours.

[07/12/2015 03:52:58] Alex Jensen: Which is kind of not good.

[07/12/2015 03:52:58] Matthew Goulart: Oh go get some noms

[07/12/2015 03:53:29] Matthew Goulart: We continue when you have somethin g in your stomach

[07/12/2015 04:24:28] Alex Jensen: Back.

[07/12/2015 04:24:40] Matthew Goulart: WB

[07/12/2015 04:24:55] Alex Jensen: Took a while longer since I needed to get gas but for some reason, the 24 hour gas station had shut off all their pumps.

[07/12/2015 04:25:07] Alex Jensen: Doesn't make any damn sense.

[07/12/2015 04:27:19] Matthew Goulart: Nice?

[07/12/2015 04:27:37] Matthew Goulart: At least you don't have to wait for people to come and do evertyhing for you an a gas station

[07/12/2015 04:27:54] Matthew Goulart: on a gas station

[07/12/2015 04:28:06] Alex Jensen: Actually, in the state south of mine and only 15 minutes from my house, it is illegal to pump your own gas.

[07/12/2015 04:28:13] Matthew Goulart: Here you gotta wait on line all the time

[07/12/2015 04:28:22] Matthew Goulart: Oh really?

[07/12/2015 04:28:30] Alex Jensen: Yup.

[07/12/2015 04:28:32] Matthew Goulart: That sucks

[07/12/2015 04:28:43] Matthew Goulart: Also, there isn't any 24 hour gas station here

[07/12/2015 04:28:55] Alex Jensen: They're pretty common here.

[07/12/2015 04:29:07] Alex Jensen: We call them convenience stores for a reason haha.

[07/12/2015 04:29:38] Alex Jensen: Although granted, the food will usually make you look for the most convenient toilet...

[07/12/2015 04:29:48] Alex Jensen: So there's also that.

[07/12/2015 04:32:07] Matthew Goulart: I see

[07/12/2015 04:32:08] Matthew Goulart: BRB

[07/12/2015 04:35:46] Matthew Goulart: Back

[07/12/2015 04:36:09] Alex Jensen: So what now?

[07/12/2015 04:36:23] Matthew Goulart: Let's continue discussing the rest of the fic?

[07/12/2015 04:36:31] Matthew Goulart: Or are you tired?

[07/12/2015 04:36:58] Alex Jensen: Not tired, but I'll have to go slightly early to finish a final for tomorrow.

[07/12/2015 04:37:51] Matthew Goulart: How long do you have left?

[07/12/2015 04:38:03] Alex Jensen: Probably going to leave in an hour.

[07/12/2015 04:38:20] Matthew Goulart: I see

[07/12/2015 04:38:27] Matthew Goulart: So what do you wanna do?

[07/12/2015 04:39:33] Alex Jensen: Not sure.

[07/12/2015 04:39:43] Alex Jensen: Up to you, I guess?

[07/12/2015 04:41:12] Matthew Goulart: Can you note what we progressed today? Even if it is just a copy paste?

[07/12/2015 04:42:00] Alex Jensen: I'd appreciate if you did this time. My program is getting pissy.

[07/12/2015 04:42:17] Alex Jensen: It refuses to acknowledge my freaking activation key.

[07/12/2015 04:44:37] Matthew Goulart: Nice?

[07/12/2015 04:45:04] Alex Jensen: Got to love those stupid sub/cloud based systems that everybody is switching to haha.

[07/12/2015 04:46:09] Matthew Goulart: Heh

[07/12/2015 04:46:23] Matthew Goulart: So wanna take a break for now?

[07/12/2015 04:46:35] Alex Jensen: Up to you.

[07/12/2015 04:48:13] Matthew Goulart: How many bad guys do we want?

[07/12/2015 04:48:41] Alex Jensen: Persona stuff usually has 2.

[07/12/2015 04:49:06] Matthew Goulart: Huh?

[07/12/2015 04:50:03] Alex Jensen: What do you mean "huh"? Both P3 and P4 had the two main antagonists. The first minor villain and the ultimate puppet master.

[07/12/2015 04:50:13] Matthew Goulart: Huh...

[07/12/2015 04:50:23] Matthew Goulart: But 2 rogue persona users...

[07/12/2015 04:50:27] Matthew Goulart: Against about 18?

[07/12/2015 04:50:30] Matthew Goulart: Unfair no?

[07/12/2015 04:50:33] Alex Jensen: Oh, that's what you meant.

[07/12/2015 04:50:41] Alex Jensen: I thought you meant what I was saying.

[07/12/2015 04:51:00] Alex Jensen: That there are two different groups/entities they need to deal with.

[07/12/2015 04:51:12] Alex Jensen: You meant how many rogues.

[07/12/2015 04:51:54] Alex Jensen: How about an even dozen?

[07/12/2015 04:54:01] Matthew Goulart: Dozen? Okay

[07/12/2015 04:54:13] Matthew Goulart: Hum...

[07/12/2015 04:54:41] Matthew Goulart: Okay yeah a dozen is fine

[07/12/2015 04:55:32] Alex Jensen: Next?

[07/12/2015 04:56:38] Matthew Goulart: We're going to use every persona user we can to help or keep it small?

[07/12/2015 04:57:20] Alex Jensen: I thought we agreed that there were only going to be a small portion of SEES being used.

[07/12/2015 04:57:50] Matthew Goulart: I said that they are used

[07/12/2015 04:57:52] Matthew Goulart: I mean

[07/12/2015 04:58:03] Matthew Goulart: If a war comes forth we can't really say that we won't use people

[07/12/2015 04:58:10] Matthew Goulart: War in quotes

[07/12/2015 04:58:12] Alex Jensen: True enough.

[07/12/2015 04:58:21] Alex Jensen: Toss them all in then.

[07/12/2015 04:58:56] Matthew Goulart: So, let's keep 12 main ones and a few "underlings"?

[07/12/2015 04:59:14] Matthew Goulart: Cause so they would be better numbered

[07/12/2015 05:00:01] Alex Jensen: They could just be significantly more powerful. I mean the leader alone will end up dealing with 3 wild cards on his own. The girl's obviously going to be tough.

[07/12/2015 05:00:12] Alex Jensen: *her own

[07/12/2015 05:00:26] Matthew Goulart: I guess. But she won't REALLY deal with them ALONE

[07/12/2015 05:00:39] Matthew Goulart: Mostly alone

[07/12/2015 05:00:53] Alex Jensen: Still going to need to be a mega badass.

[07/12/2015 05:01:10] Alex Jensen: So her minions aren't going to be pushovers themselves.

[07/12/2015 05:02:28] Matthew Goulart: I guess

[07/12/2015 05:02:45] Matthew Goulart: But it's pretty tough to beat two World Manifested Wild Cards

[07/12/2015 05:02:55] Alex Jensen: Two whats?

[07/12/2015 05:03:12] Matthew Goulart: During the last battle they manifest the World/Universe arcana

[07/12/2015 05:03:41] Alex Jensen: Who is to say that this one hasn't?

[07/12/2015 05:04:03] Matthew Goulart: You need to have Social Links/ have Velvet room aid

[07/12/2015 05:04:06] Matthew Goulart: For it to happen

[07/12/2015 05:04:12] Matthew Goulart: Or so I was told

[07/12/2015 05:04:24] Alex Jensen: Yeah, but wild cards are ones who have access to the Velvet Room.

[07/12/2015 05:04:29] Matthew Goulart: No

[07/12/2015 05:04:33] Alex Jensen: Most do.

[07/12/2015 05:04:35] Matthew Goulart: People bound to a contract are

[07/12/2015 05:04:55] Matthew Goulart: And only people with a fate like Makoto's or Yu's

[07/12/2015 05:05:19] Matthew Goulart: Remenber, they're under Philemon's thing and Philemon is a good guy

[07/12/2015 05:05:31] Matthew Goulart: So he would not grant aid to bad people

[07/12/2015 05:06:27] Alex Jensen: Adachi had the power and he was pretty damn bad.

[07/12/2015 05:06:37] Matthew Goulart: No he didn't

[07/12/2015 05:06:44] Matthew Goulart: He never entered the Velvet Room

[07/12/2015 05:06:54] Alex Jensen: Oh, he only controls that?

[07/12/2015 05:07:00] Alex Jensen: You said he gave out personas.

[07/12/2015 05:07:01] Matthew Goulart: Yeah

[07/12/2015 05:08:04] Matthew Goulart: Who gave out personas?

[07/12/2015 05:08:46] Alex Jensen: The god guy we're talking about. You said he granted a bunch of people personas and allowed them to use them in the real world.

[07/12/2015 05:09:01] Matthew Goulart: Philemon is gone since the second game

[07/12/2015 05:09:07] Matthew Goulart: He is only the master of Igor

[07/12/2015 05:09:17] Alex Jensen: Dead gone?

[07/12/2015 05:09:25] Matthew Goulart: Let's say yes

[07/12/2015 05:09:28] Alex Jensen: Or not doing anything gone?

[07/12/2015 05:09:40] Matthew Goulart: Not doing shit gone

[07/12/2015 05:09:47] Matthew Goulart: You know when a butterfly appears

[07/12/2015 05:09:51] Matthew Goulart: On some cutscenes?

[07/12/2015 05:10:00] Alex Jensen: Sure?

[07/12/2015 05:10:08] Matthew Goulart: That's Philemon observing

[07/12/2015 05:10:13] Matthew Goulart: He only observes

[07/12/2015 05:10:16] Matthew Goulart: Won't interfere

[07/12/2015 05:10:23] Matthew Goulart: Much like The Velvet Room gives aid

[07/12/2015 05:10:28] Matthew Goulart: But won't interfere

[07/12/2015 05:11:04] Alex Jensen: Then he wouldn't really do anything if a Velvet Room contract holder went rogue.

[07/12/2015 05:11:11] Matthew Goulart: Nope

[07/12/2015 05:11:21] Matthew Goulart: Much like Elizabeth left on her own will

[07/12/2015 05:11:24] Matthew Goulart: He won't do shit

[07/12/2015 05:11:38] Alex Jensen: Then why can't the person have had that connection to it?

[07/12/2015 05:12:28] Matthew Goulart: Because Igor, is 100% loyal. He won't interfere, but he does choose who he aids

[07/12/2015 05:12:56] Alex Jensen: Who said anything about him aiding the person after they went apeshit?

[07/12/2015 05:13:06] Matthew Goulart: Huh?

[07/12/2015 05:13:54] Alex Jensen: The leader HAD a connection to the Room but after it broke the rules and went rogue, Igor shut off his support.

[07/12/2015 05:14:31] Matthew Goulart: But he needs to both have a contract and have a fate

[07/12/2015 05:14:37] Matthew Goulart: And Igor said himself

[07/12/2015 05:14:41] Matthew Goulart: No matter how long it passes

[07/12/2015 05:14:48] Matthew Goulart: Our guests are forever welcome

[07/12/2015 05:15:57] Alex Jensen: Maybe they learned their fate was to die and they broke the contract in an effort to save themselves. I doubt Igor would still have that open door policy for one who has broke their end of the deal.

[07/12/2015 05:16:21] Matthew Goulart: The contract only says

[07/12/2015 05:16:35] Matthew Goulart: "You are responsible for your actions"

[07/12/2015 05:16:55] Matthew Goulart: I'm not sure about that

[07/12/2015 05:17:32] Alex Jensen: Then how else does this person stand up to 2 world class wild cards and 1 standard?

[07/12/2015 05:17:50] Alex Jensen: Without that, they're screwed.

[07/12/2015 05:17:58] Matthew Goulart: I mean, they manifested the world, but that doesn't mean that they're invencible

[07/12/2015 05:18:07] Alex Jensen: Never said they were.

[07/12/2015 05:18:12] Alex Jensen: But it gives a serious edge.

[07/12/2015 05:18:34] Matthew Goulart: I'm not sure

[07/12/2015 05:18:35] Alex Jensen: One that is hard to ignore and even harder to overcome.

[07/12/2015 05:19:04] Matthew Goulart: We would have to give an entire story and background to the character though and shit

[07/12/2015 05:19:16] Matthew Goulart: And I doubt someone would have the fate

[07/12/2015 05:19:20] Alex Jensen: We kind of need to do that anyway.

[07/12/2015 05:19:23] Matthew Goulart: "You'll die. DEAL WITH IT"

[07/12/2015 05:20:06] Alex Jensen: I wasn't thinking anything so simplistic as that haha.

[07/12/2015 05:20:38] Alex Jensen: But just as Makoto did, they might have a fate that told them that they would need to sacrifice themselves to save others.

[07/12/2015 05:21:02] Alex Jensen: Death being a byproduct, rather than the outcome.

[07/12/2015 05:21:25] Matthew Goulart: I don't know. I'm not a big fan of just makig him related to the Velvet Room

[07/12/2015 05:21:38] Matthew Goulart: Igor did say that it had been a while since he had a guest

[07/12/2015 05:21:41] Matthew Goulart: Since Makoto that is

[07/12/2015 05:21:56] Matthew Goulart: That would mean he would be a guest at the same time or before than him

[07/12/2015 05:22:05] Matthew Goulart: And the Velvet Room is a single place

[07/12/2015 05:22:29] Alex Jensen: I was figuring it would be somebody older anyway.

[07/12/2015 05:22:42] Alex Jensen: Helps explain why they're so mad and powerful.

[07/12/2015 05:23:21] Matthew Goulart: Hum.............................

[07/12/2015 05:23:36] Matthew Goulart: I gotta think about this.

[07/12/2015 05:23:41] Matthew Goulart: I'm on the fence

[07/12/2015 05:23:44] Matthew Goulart: Real hard on this

[07/12/2015 05:24:03] Matthew Goulart: I both see a reason for her to be there, but I also don't find sense into it

[07/12/2015 05:24:16] Alex Jensen: I understand. Just trying to come up with something that fits all the criteria we need.

[07/12/2015 05:24:23] Alex Jensen: This was my best option at the moment.

[07/12/2015 05:24:29] Alex Jensen: Nothing more, nothing less.

[07/12/2015 05:24:41] Matthew Goulart: Which is the exact criteria you want to fit?

[07/12/2015 05:26:37] Alex Jensen: 1) a reason to fight. 2) a reason to help explain their power. 3) a background that fits their twisted personality. 4) inner knowledge of personas and the wild card.

[07/12/2015 05:27:33] Alex Jensen: 5) something to get the Velvet Room itself involved

[07/12/2015 05:28:02] Alex Jensen: The last one is more of something I think would be interesting to see, rather than a need.

[07/12/2015 05:28:30] Alex Jensen: Probably also missing a few things, but that covers the basics of what I see is needed in this antagonist.

[07/12/2015 05:29:30] Matthew Goulart: I really don't want to involve the Velvet Room. It's a touchy subject

[07/12/2015 05:29:51] Matthew Goulart: I can agree to the rest though

[07/12/2015 05:29:52] Alex Jensen: Just a personal wish list. Consider it gone.

[07/12/2015 05:30:23] Alex Jensen: But now you see why I thought this was the best option so far.

[07/12/2015 05:30:35] Alex Jensen: It checks off most of those.

[07/12/2015 05:30:40] Alex Jensen: At least partially.

[07/12/2015 05:30:42] Matthew Goulart: Hum... yeah

[07/12/2015 05:31:28] Alex Jensen: Feel free to come up with a better solution if you have one though.

[07/12/2015 05:33:12] Alex Jensen: Well crap... time for me to go.

[07/12/2015 05:33:37] Alex Jensen: Or at least start wrapping things up for the night.

[07/12/2015 05:34:55] Matthew Goulart: We have to think better on this. I think we can make him a wild card, but make him related to the velvet room is pushing it

[07/12/2015 05:35:02] Matthew Goulart: I'm reading some stuff right now

[07/12/2015 05:35:10] Matthew Goulart: There is no way he would get their aid

[07/12/2015 05:35:27] Matthew Goulart: She*

[07/12/2015 05:36:03] Alex Jensen: After she went rogue you mean? Of course not. Never entered my mind that would be a thing.

[07/12/2015 05:36:54] Matthew Goulart: I meant never over all

[07/12/2015 05:37:08] Alex Jensen: Why?

[07/12/2015 05:38:42] Alex Jensen: Actually, let's hold off until next week.

[07/12/2015 05:38:48] Alex Jensen: I really need to get going.

[07/12/2015 05:38:56] Matthew Goulart: It's alright

[07/12/2015 05:39:09] Matthew Goulart: And it is because the Velvet Room shapes to their guest

[07/12/2015 05:39:23] Matthew Goulart: If their guest is crooked and desperate/rogue

[07/12/2015 05:39:27] Matthew Goulart: It can't exist

[07/12/2015 05:39:40] Matthew Goulart: And there is only 1 velvet room at a time

[07/12/2015 05:39:50] Matthew Goulart: While any of the past guests can enter

[07/12/2015 05:40:07] Matthew Goulart: It'll look differently depending on the reality they're facing

[07/12/2015 05:41:34] Alex Jensen: Ok then.

[07/12/2015 05:41:57] Matthew Goulart: Hard to grasp

[07/12/2015 05:42:02] Matthew Goulart: But we continue this next week

[07/12/2015 05:42:05] Matthew Goulart: Go shleep

[07/12/2015 05:42:16] Matthew Goulart: See you friday? (I'm on vacation, so I'm here everyday)

[07/12/2015 05:43:01] Alex Jensen: Yeah, most likely.

[20/12/2015 00:45:29] Alex Jensen: Hello.

[20/12/2015 00:45:41] Alex Jensen: My sincere apologies for not being here lately.

[20/12/2015 00:45:57] Matthew Goulart: Don't worry about it, I was just a bit worried.

[20/12/2015 00:46:29] Alex Jensen: It was finals week... so yeah.

[20/12/2015 00:46:47] Alex Jensen: I also had to work on one of the most UNPROFESSIONAL sets.

[20/12/2015 00:47:12] Alex Jensen: Which was a whole lot of stress and rage.

[20/12/2015 00:47:29] Matthew Goulart: I see. That sucks

[20/12/2015 00:47:48] Alex Jensen: It's better now that I get to see my friends again.

[20/12/2015 00:48:29] Matthew Goulart: Yay.

[20/12/2015 00:48:36] Matthew Goulart: So what are the news you were talking about?

[20/12/2015 00:48:56] Alex Jensen: Finished P4 and I'm absolutely in love with it now.

[20/12/2015 00:49:08] Matthew Goulart: Oh really? Why so?

[20/12/2015 00:49:34] Alex Jensen: The characters. The plot. That ending.

[20/12/2015 00:49:50] Matthew Goulart: PLOT TWIST

[20/12/2015 00:49:52] Matthew Goulart: Right?

[20/12/2015 00:50:44] Alex Jensen: Indeed.

[20/12/2015 00:50:47] Matthew Goulart: So, tell me everything. All that you feel and think about it

[20/12/2015 00:51:54] Alex Jensen: Well for one thing, I don't really hate any of the characters now.

[20/12/2015 00:52:52] Alex Jensen: Adachi's really the only one who I dislike, but that's only because of what he did and how little remorse he had.

[20/12/2015 00:53:25] Alex Jensen: Even Rise and Marie grew on me more than I expected.

[20/12/2015 00:53:48] Matthew Goulart: They're not bad character, just my LEAST favorite

[20/12/2015 00:55:05] Alex Jensen: I wouldn't even rank them there though. With the exception of Naoto, Chie, and Kanji, I like all the main ones equally.

[20/12/2015 00:55:27] Matthew Goulart: I'm assuming you like those 3 more?

[20/12/2015 00:55:37] Alex Jensen: Very much so.

[20/12/2015 00:56:20] Matthew Goulart: But why the super sudden change of heart? What in the final episodes made you change so much?

[20/12/2015 00:56:28] Matthew Goulart: I mean, it's an amazing ending, gotta say

[20/12/2015 00:57:03] Alex Jensen: Well the last time we talked, I still had about 50 episodes left. So a lot happened between then and now.

[20/12/2015 00:57:43] Alex Jensen: Everything from the ski trip and after are what sealed the deal for me though.

[20/12/2015 00:58:22] Matthew Goulart: Okay. Then explain everything. I'm super excited to hear it from you.

[20/12/2015 00:58:44] Alex Jensen: Well one thing I need to say is FUCK VALENTINES.

[20/12/2015 00:58:57] Matthew Goulart: Why? lol

[20/12/2015 00:59:17] Alex Jensen: I didn't even make it to the end of Yukiko's rejection before I skipped past.

[20/12/2015 00:59:28] Alex Jensen: Shit made me depressed as hell.

[20/12/2015 00:59:53] Alex Jensen: There was no way I could watch Chie and Naoto cry...

[20/12/2015 01:00:32] Matthew Goulart: Chie wouldn't cry

[20/12/2015 01:00:36] Matthew Goulart: She's the one he choose

[20/12/2015 01:00:41] Matthew Goulart: And the moment is hella sweet

[20/12/2015 01:00:44] Alex Jensen: Oh, right.

[20/12/2015 01:00:57] Alex Jensen: Well I did watch their dates.

[20/12/2015 01:01:02] Alex Jensen: But skipped the rejections.

[20/12/2015 01:01:06] Alex Jensen: Couldn't take it.

[20/12/2015 01:01:09] Matthew Goulart: Yeah

[20/12/2015 01:01:16] Matthew Goulart: Baka Jeenius

[20/12/2015 01:01:29] Alex Jensen: He deserved that death chocolate from Nanako haha.

[20/12/2015 01:01:35] Matthew Goulart: Yeah

[20/12/2015 01:01:43] Matthew Goulart: You get the chocolate no matter what though

[20/12/2015 01:01:48] Alex Jensen: I know.

[20/12/2015 01:01:57] Alex Jensen: But he deserves it in this case.

[20/12/2015 01:02:03] Matthew Goulart: Yeah

[20/12/2015 01:03:51] Matthew Goulart: Tell me moar though

[20/12/2015 01:03:54] Matthew Goulart: I wanna hear it

[20/12/2015 01:03:58] Matthew Goulart: Everything haha

[20/12/2015 01:04:14] Alex Jensen: Well where do I start? My absolute love of everything Naoto?

[20/12/2015 01:04:59] Alex Jensen: My desire to see Teddy and Yosuke to be repeatedly zapped for peeping on the girls?

[20/12/2015 01:05:12] Matthew Goulart: Yeah, that was pretty sweet haha

[20/12/2015 01:05:13] Alex Jensen: The brilliant setup for the final boss?

[20/12/2015 01:05:27] Alex Jensen: It was all too good haha.

[20/12/2015 01:05:55] Matthew Goulart: Poor Yu even got zapped for no reason

[20/12/2015 01:06:05] Matthew Goulart: Kanji was probably dragged into doing it

[20/12/2015 01:06:34] Alex Jensen: Kanji was still quilty haha. And it's not like Yu hasn't seen it all before./

[20/12/2015 01:06:44] Alex Jensen: *guilty

[20/12/2015 01:06:50] Matthew Goulart: He didn't really.

[20/12/2015 01:07:18] Alex Jensen: You forgetting both the x-mas date and each of their rank 10 links?

[20/12/2015 01:07:32] Alex Jensen: He has seen most of them already.

[20/12/2015 01:07:41] Matthew Goulart: Rank 10 links was simply spend time together

[20/12/2015 01:07:59] Matthew Goulart: Like, one of the directors got asked it in a Q&A

[20/12/2015 01:08:18] Matthew Goulart: He said that the Rank 10 was only a spend time (Nanako was home >.>)[

[20/12/2015 01:08:25] Matthew Goulart: The x-mas

[20/12/2015 01:08:36] Matthew Goulart: I don't really consider it "that"

[20/12/2015 01:08:45] Matthew Goulart: I think they just cuddled up and slept

[20/12/2015 01:08:53] Matthew Goulart: I don't think he really went for anything

[20/12/2015 01:09:26] Alex Jensen: It was very heavily implied they did though.

[20/12/2015 01:09:32] Matthew Goulart: Yeah

[20/12/2015 01:09:58] Matthew Goulart: But I don't really consider it. If he REALLY did something, it would be either awkward the next day and shit

[20/12/2015 01:10:09] Matthew Goulart: And really don't fit since you can date them all lol

[20/12/2015 01:11:08] Alex Jensen: I'd say the fact he does date them all indicates he is even more willing to do that.

[20/12/2015 01:11:18] Alex Jensen: But that's just my interpretation.

[20/12/2015 01:12:40] Matthew Goulart: I don't think so.

[20/12/2015 01:12:48] Matthew Goulart: I know it is implied

[20/12/2015 01:13:16] Matthew Goulart: But I at least don't think it happened. It wouldn't even be all that romantic if you think about it

[20/12/2015 01:13:31] Matthew Goulart: I mean, it is romantic, but I think there could be better timing

[20/12/2015 01:13:42] Alex Jensen: Oh for sure.

[20/12/2015 01:14:27] Alex Jensen: But they're also teens, and the vast majority of those are not exactly interested in waiting for the perfect romantic timing haha.

[20/12/2015 01:15:09] Alex Jensen: Regardless though, we can go with your interpretation when writing.

[20/12/2015 01:17:02] Matthew Goulart: Sure

[20/12/2015 01:17:13] Matthew Goulart: But well

[20/12/2015 01:17:19] Matthew Goulart: Your theory also has a small flaw

[20/12/2015 01:17:37] Alex Jensen: They usually do.

[20/12/2015 01:17:39] Matthew Goulart: Japanese people really wait for that moment. Even more when we're talking about anime

[20/12/2015 01:17:56] Alex Jensen: That was more of a joke than anything else.

[20/12/2015 01:18:31] Matthew Goulart: I'm aware

[20/12/2015 01:21:08] Matthew Goulart: So, You seemed to grow on Chie a lot, heh?

[20/12/2015 01:21:32] Alex Jensen: Not as much as Naoto, but definitely.

[20/12/2015 01:22:28] Alex Jensen: She's not the same obnoxious airhead she used to be at the start.

[20/12/2015 01:22:40] Alex Jensen: Grew a lot more than I ever expected.

[20/12/2015 01:23:07] Matthew Goulart: She wasn't really an airhead. She just talked a lot

[20/12/2015 01:23:15] Alex Jensen: Wrong word.

[20/12/2015 01:23:22] Matthew Goulart: She is actually quite smart, she never got lost on jokes and shit

[20/12/2015 01:24:03] Matthew Goulart: I see.

[20/12/2015 01:24:28] Matthew Goulart: Well, they needed to have someone be talkative

[20/12/2015 01:24:36] Matthew Goulart: Since the main char is silent, they gave the role to Chie

[20/12/2015 01:24:53] Matthew Goulart: But I told you, when the party gets full

[20/12/2015 01:25:00] Matthew Goulart: She talks a lot less.

[20/12/2015 01:25:14] Matthew Goulart: It was simply because they had to fill in lines

[20/12/2015 01:25:49] Alex Jensen: She also became... smarter, for lack of a better term.

[20/12/2015 01:26:18] Alex Jensen: I was happily surprised that she tried to hard with her studies in the end.

[20/12/2015 01:26:18] Matthew Goulart: She said less obvious things.

[20/12/2015 01:26:26] Alex Jensen: That too.

[20/12/2015 01:26:27] Matthew Goulart: Yup, she studies hard.

[20/12/2015 01:26:47] Matthew Goulart: It's the lack of text, again. Writers... some of them need to learn a bit lol

[20/12/2015 01:27:19] Matthew Goulart: But funny that you said about studying. Chie is actually very studious

[20/12/2015 01:27:59] Matthew Goulart: On Persona 4 arena, there are several issues where she talks about studying, and there is even a scene where she felt asleep studying

[20/12/2015 01:28:30] Matthew Goulart: (that is super cute, btw)

[20/12/2015 01:28:42] Alex Jensen: I'm sure.

[20/12/2015 01:28:51] Alex Jensen: Especially if she has that newer haircut.

[20/12/2015 01:28:57] Alex Jensen: It suits her so much better.

[20/12/2015 01:29:04] Matthew Goulart: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/7/7f/P4AU_%28P4_Mode%2C_Chie_dreaming_about_her_and_master%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20141007011114

[20/12/2015 01:29:07] Matthew Goulart: And I agree

[20/12/2015 01:29:17] Matthew Goulart: Her haircut is going to be like that in the story eventually

[20/12/2015 01:29:35] Matthew Goulart: I like their new styles

[20/12/2015 01:30:03] Alex Jensen: Eventually...? I was under the impression this story happened after P4 ended.

[20/12/2015 01:31:55] Matthew Goulart: It is

[20/12/2015 01:32:00] Matthew Goulart: But it is IMMEDIATELY after

[20/12/2015 01:32:08] Matthew Goulart: they changed their styles a bit over 3-4 months

[20/12/2015 01:32:14] Matthew Goulart: Since Yu is going to be around

[20/12/2015 01:32:21] Matthew Goulart: They'll change a bit more progressively

[20/12/2015 01:32:35] Matthew Goulart: When Yu goes for the first time in the sea of souls with elizabeth and aigis

[20/12/2015 01:32:39] Matthew Goulart: They'll change a bit

[20/12/2015 01:32:54] Alex Jensen: Wait, why is it not happening after that final scene in the game?

[20/12/2015 01:33:06] Matthew Goulart: ?

[20/12/2015 01:33:45] Alex Jensen: The one that takes place during the summer several months later.

[20/12/2015 01:34:00] Matthew Goulart: Because it wouldn't make sense?

[20/12/2015 01:34:50] Alex Jensen: Why not though?

[20/12/2015 01:35:08] Matthew Goulart: The day after they defeat Izanami is the day the fic starts

[20/12/2015 01:35:13] Matthew Goulart: AKA the day Yu is going back home

[20/12/2015 01:35:33] Matthew Goulart: What would normally happens does until he gives his goodbyes

[20/12/2015 01:35:47] Matthew Goulart: On the way, elizabeth appears yadda yadda yadda

[20/12/2015 01:35:51] Matthew Goulart: He gets home

[20/12/2015 01:35:53] Matthew Goulart: Parents dead

[20/12/2015 01:36:00] Matthew Goulart: He goes back to inaba after a week or so

[20/12/2015 01:36:09] Matthew Goulart: If it was months later

[20/12/2015 01:36:12] Matthew Goulart: This wouldn't fit

[20/12/2015 01:36:31] Alex Jensen: That just seems way too rushed. The timeline can easily be pushed back with no real consequences.

[20/12/2015 01:36:53] Alex Jensen: Plus, if we give him actual time home with his parents, the sudden loss of them is even stronger.

[20/12/2015 01:37:04] Matthew Goulart: He doesn't like his parents

[20/12/2015 01:37:16] Matthew Goulart: The loss would be great because he doesn't fare too well with them

[20/12/2015 01:37:29] Matthew Goulart: Or that was the plan

[20/12/2015 01:37:53] Alex Jensen: Where was it discussed he doesn't like them?

[20/12/2015 01:38:15] Matthew Goulart: I told you the very first time we discussed the plot

[20/12/2015 01:38:23] Alex Jensen: I meant in canon.

[20/12/2015 01:38:33] Matthew Goulart: They're never mentioned in the first place

[20/12/2015 01:38:41] Matthew Goulart: So I made that up. For me it makes a lot more sense

[20/12/2015 01:38:54] Alex Jensen: I feel the opposite.

[20/12/2015 01:39:21] Alex Jensen: The way we discussed how hard it would hit him, he needs that connection.

[20/12/2015 01:39:55] Alex Jensen: You mourn people you love far more than those you do not.

[20/12/2015 01:40:14] Alex Jensen: I propose something in the middle.

[20/12/2015 01:40:33] Matthew Goulart: I guess "he doesn't like them"

[20/12/2015 01:40:36] Matthew Goulart: Is the wrong term

[20/12/2015 01:40:43] Matthew Goulart: Let's say he isn't in good terms

[20/12/2015 01:40:57] Matthew Goulart: For reasons such as them being not very present parents

[20/12/2015 01:41:00] Matthew Goulart: Being far away

[20/12/2015 01:41:13] Matthew Goulart: Always making he exchange school because of work and all

[20/12/2015 01:41:24] Matthew Goulart: For me this would be good in more than one way

[20/12/2015 01:41:41] Matthew Goulart: First, he would relate Dojima and Nanako's initial relationship, and see how they grow

[20/12/2015 01:42:07] Matthew Goulart: He would also see that as something he wished he could have with his parents

[20/12/2015 01:42:27] Matthew Goulart: He wouldn't hate them, it would just be that tension and stuff

[20/12/2015 01:42:47] Matthew Goulart: The second reason is because he would feel like beginning a new with them

[20/12/2015 01:43:05] Matthew Goulart: Like "I'll make them more present with me, share their time"

[20/12/2015 01:43:06] Matthew Goulart: And all

[20/12/2015 01:43:11] Matthew Goulart: For the third reason

[20/12/2015 01:44:09] Matthew Goulart: Since he had a sort of bad final relationship with them, we could also make him feel bad for never being able to say sorry for being selfish sometimes, just because they can't work and all

[20/12/2015 01:44:20] Matthew Goulart: they work all the time and all*

[20/12/2015 01:44:30] Matthew Goulart: And he wanted to build the relationship back

[20/12/2015 01:45:22] Matthew Goulart: So he would be on the fence on forgiving them for what happened and building a real relationship

[20/12/2015 01:45:32] Matthew Goulart: Also because his life on the city wouldn't be that good

[20/12/2015 01:45:34] Matthew Goulart: Lonely and all

[20/12/2015 01:46:05] Alex Jensen: Still, having him return to them being dead doesn't give enough of a payoff.

[20/12/2015 01:46:27] Alex Jensen: Mind if I actually say what I saw going to before?

[20/12/2015 01:47:20] Matthew Goulart: What you mean? (and we can elaborate this better. I just don't really wanna give a big amount of time for him to build it up with his parents, just because of what I said)

[20/12/2015 01:48:28] Alex Jensen: I mean that even if we gave him all these hopes for a better relationship, it means nothing if they are dead when he arrives.

[20/12/2015 01:48:40] Matthew Goulart: It does.

[20/12/2015 01:49:38] Matthew Goulart: But elaborate you way

[20/12/2015 01:49:41] Matthew Goulart: your*

[20/12/2015 01:50:01] Matthew Goulart: I just think it does because of past things that happened between him and his parents

[20/12/2015 01:50:06] Matthew Goulart: Whatever, elaborate

[20/12/2015 01:50:10] Matthew Goulart: Imma go get a drink

[20/12/2015 01:51:11] Alex Jensen: I was going to suggest a middle ground where he initially had a good relationship with them, but they had a large fight that either resulted in, or was because of, him moving to Inaba originally.

[20/12/2015 01:51:55] Alex Jensen: So for that entire year, he has these conflicting emotions of his parents that are only made worse by seeing Nanako and Dojima's situation.

[20/12/2015 01:52:28] Matthew Goulart: I like that. Give me more

[20/12/2015 01:52:50] Alex Jensen: Once he returns, he is expecting more of what he left behind, but his parents instead surprise him by welcoming him back with open arms.

[20/12/2015 01:53:26] Alex Jensen: But he initially doesn't know how to deal with this and is distant do their attempts to fix things.

[20/12/2015 01:54:00] Alex Jensen: Over those several months prior to his vacation, however, they are able to more or less regain what they once had.

[20/12/2015 01:54:12] Alex Jensen: A good, close-knit family.

[20/12/2015 01:54:26] Alex Jensen: But they disaster strikes.

[20/12/2015 01:54:29] Alex Jensen: *then

[20/12/2015 01:54:41] Matthew Goulart: You know several months are like 2-3, right

[20/12/2015 01:54:46] Alex Jensen: Yes.

[20/12/2015 01:54:52] Matthew Goulart: (He goes away in March and goes back to inaba in May)

[20/12/2015 01:54:58] Alex Jensen: I'm aware.

[20/12/2015 01:55:22] Alex Jensen: We wouldn't show all of this, obviously.

[20/12/2015 01:55:51] Alex Jensen: The first couple days as a prologue, then several jumps to the present/vacation.

[20/12/2015 01:56:09] Alex Jensen: All of which show their mending relationship.

[20/12/2015 01:56:28] Alex Jensen: This accomplishes several things.

[20/12/2015 01:56:45] Alex Jensen: Makes it so their loss truly affects him.

[20/12/2015 01:56:58] Alex Jensen: And makes the audience actually give two shits about their death.

[20/12/2015 01:57:41] Alex Jensen: If the audience doesn't care, then they will only see Yu's struggle with the loss as a convenient, melodramatic plot point.

[20/12/2015 01:58:04] Alex Jensen: Is all of this making sense?

[20/12/2015 01:58:48] Matthew Goulart:  I guess?

[20/12/2015 01:59:04] Matthew Goulart: It's just that I don't want the story to lose too much focus on the city

[20/12/2015 01:59:09] Matthew Goulart: We're very limited on that point

[20/12/2015 01:59:21] Matthew Goulart: And I REALLY don't wanna make Yu's douchy classmates

[20/12/2015 01:59:38] Alex Jensen: That's the beauty of this.

[20/12/2015 01:59:46] Alex Jensen: We never need to leave their house.

[20/12/2015 02:00:21] Alex Jensen: And we use a series of scenes that take place during various parts of their "healing process" to give an idea of what happened.

[20/12/2015 02:01:18] Alex Jensen: Or, as an interesting storytelling device, all of that can be told in a more unconventional way.

[20/12/2015 02:02:12] Alex Jensen: Maybe he keeps a journal that mentions key points. Or perhaps he sends his friends messages telling them how things are.

[20/12/2015 02:03:24] Matthew Goulart: I don't like that all that much. I think we can do 1 of 3 thingds

[20/12/2015 02:04:15] Matthew Goulart: The first one is go with the normal plan, make he go back, have him spend a few days there. I feel like we should do this the first day he is back, being kind of nice

[20/12/2015 02:04:31] Matthew Goulart: That would all be in the prologue

[20/12/2015 02:04:36] Matthew Goulart: Then on chapter 1

[20/12/2015 02:04:51] Matthew Goulart: Go for the day the event of their death actually happens.

[20/12/2015 02:04:56] Matthew Goulart: Yu would be going home

[20/12/2015 02:05:17] Matthew Goulart: And in his thoughts talk about how everything went that past month or so

[20/12/2015 02:05:49] Matthew Goulart: And when he gets home he could either watch them die

[20/12/2015 02:06:00] Matthew Goulart: Or find them dead and find the culprit waiting there

[20/12/2015 02:06:08] Matthew Goulart: Either one

[20/12/2015 02:06:13] Matthew Goulart: The second plan

[20/12/2015 02:06:21] Matthew Goulart: We end on a good note with his parents

[20/12/2015 02:06:42] Matthew Goulart: And then when we come back, he would be on his desperate hour, finding them dead

[20/12/2015 02:06:50] Matthew Goulart: and once he is back to inaba

[20/12/2015 02:07:03] Matthew Goulart: He tells everything in a flashback way

[20/12/2015 02:07:17] Matthew Goulart: Which I believe is a good way to do it.

[20/12/2015 02:07:37] Matthew Goulart: The last way is do somewhat what you just suggested.

[20/12/2015 02:08:26] Matthew Goulart: Give a bit more time of him there, and give more actual events and shit, (which I actually dislike because it kind of forces us to make make way too much interaction)

[20/12/2015 02:08:49] Matthew Goulart: What do you think?

[20/12/2015 02:09:21] Matthew Goulart: (I feel it needs to be a bit sudden. No one wants to read Yu's boring city life)

[20/12/2015 02:09:55] Alex Jensen: I prefer the final option. I'm not really a fan of flashbacks and we need to spend at least some time with them to make a good impact.

[20/12/2015 02:10:11] Alex Jensen: And we don't need to show anything about the city life.

[20/12/2015 02:10:33] Matthew Goulart: It's kind of dumb to show him JUST home and nothing else. It would be timeskip fiesta

[20/12/2015 02:11:06] Matthew Goulart: Like

[20/12/2015 02:11:11] Matthew Goulart: "Day 1"

[20/12/2015 02:11:27] Matthew Goulart: My parents and I had dinner

[20/12/2015 02:11:31] Matthew Goulart: We do a scene on that

[20/12/2015 02:11:32] Matthew Goulart: Day 10

[20/12/2015 02:11:38] Matthew Goulart: We went shopping

[20/12/2015 02:11:41] Matthew Goulart: Day 23

[20/12/2015 02:11:45] Matthew Goulart: We did this

[20/12/2015 02:11:54] Matthew Goulart: That's kind of boring, honestly.

[20/12/2015 02:12:12] Matthew Goulart: Not to mention we would need to develop both of his parents characters and give them names haha

[20/12/2015 02:12:18] Alex Jensen: It wouldn't be anything quite so mundane.

[20/12/2015 02:12:42] Alex Jensen: And if you want them to die and have their deaths mean something, we kind of need to do  that anyway.

[20/12/2015 02:13:38] Alex Jensen: Think of it like this: would you care at all if one of those NPCs died suddenly? Would you expect it to have ANY impact on the story of P4?

[20/12/2015 02:14:04] Matthew Goulart: Saki Konishi died, she had impact and he had 17 lines the whole game

[20/12/2015 02:14:25] Alex Jensen: But she still had a character, name, and we learned more about her from Naoki.

[20/12/2015 02:14:31] Alex Jensen: She was still a character.

[20/12/2015 02:14:43] Matthew Goulart: We would learn about Yu's parents eventually

[20/12/2015 02:14:52] Matthew Goulart: When he either talks about why he is feeling pain and stuff

[20/12/2015 02:15:01] Matthew Goulart: We would give them names

[20/12/2015 02:15:07] Matthew Goulart: And stuff

[20/12/2015 02:15:10] Alex Jensen: I know, but we still need some sort of introduction to them personally.

[20/12/2015 02:15:23] Matthew Goulart: So, can we do it like this:

[20/12/2015 02:15:37] Matthew Goulart: Yu gets home, we have 1-2 introduction days

[20/12/2015 02:15:57] Matthew Goulart: And then we go to somewhere more important?

[20/12/2015 02:16:15] Matthew Goulart: I wanna know what you want  us to do exactly

[20/12/2015 02:16:18] Matthew Goulart: If not what I said

[20/12/2015 02:16:23] Matthew Goulart: Like, EXACTLY

[20/12/2015 02:17:22] Matthew Goulart: Tell me what to do onii-chan!

[20/12/2015 02:17:47] Alex Jensen: My brain isn't exactly working at the moment.

[20/12/2015 02:18:03] Matthew Goulart: Yay?

[20/12/2015 02:18:06] Alex Jensen: I'm amazed that I managed to explain this clearly, to be honest.

[20/12/2015 02:18:57] Matthew Goulart: Would you be able to explain it better tomorrow?

[20/12/2015 02:18:58] Alex Jensen: But you're getting the idea. We start with the problems he has in the beginning and then through a handful of things, we show some sort of growth with them.

[20/12/2015 02:19:15] Matthew Goulart: I don't mind giving them growth

[20/12/2015 02:19:25] Matthew Goulart: I just don't want to spend more than one chapter on it

[20/12/2015 02:19:35] Alex Jensen: I never said we needed to.

[20/12/2015 02:19:42] Matthew Goulart: I feel like a few 5k words do we just well

[20/12/2015 02:19:45] Alex Jensen: I only ever intended for this to be a prologue.

[20/12/2015 02:20:03] Alex Jensen: Although 5k might be a little too economical for this.

[20/12/2015 02:20:03] Matthew Goulart: The prologue won't involve his parents all that much

[20/12/2015 02:20:37] Matthew Goulart: The prologue would end shortly after he arrive home

[20/12/2015 02:20:41] Matthew Goulart: In the case of your idea

[20/12/2015 02:20:55] Matthew Goulart: Right after his parents welcome him with "open arms"

[20/12/2015 02:21:26] Matthew Goulart: The prologue currently has 4.2k words, and he is just leaving the Dojima residence to go pickup his train

[20/12/2015 02:21:54] Matthew Goulart: This would still chain into him talking with his friends (which will be kinda hard to write) and him with elizabeth inside the train.

[20/12/2015 02:22:01] Matthew Goulart: Then he would walk home

[20/12/2015 02:22:05] Matthew Goulart: And end it there

[20/12/2015 02:22:19] Matthew Goulart: Then Chapter 1 would start a few days later

[20/12/2015 02:22:30] Alex Jensen: Then we simply devote chapter 1 to my idea, rather than the prologue.

[20/12/2015 02:22:55] Alex Jensen: That gives us. what, about 10k to develop a basic thing?

[20/12/2015 02:23:11] Matthew Goulart: Chapters can have about 15k, in my opinion

[20/12/2015 02:23:27] Matthew Goulart: So we can do his stuff with his parents

[20/12/2015 02:23:33] Matthew Goulart: in about 5-8?

[20/12/2015 02:23:40] Matthew Goulart: And the rest of the chapter we do whatever?

[20/12/2015 02:23:43] Matthew Goulart: Not sure

[20/12/2015 02:23:59] Alex Jensen: I'd say we try to use as much of the chapter as possible for it.

[20/12/2015 02:24:05] Matthew Goulart: I guess?

[20/12/2015 02:25:08] Alex Jensen: It gives us a good amount of time to develop what we need and the ending of their arc with their deaths can be a nice natural end point for the chapter.

[20/12/2015 02:25:22] Alex Jensen: And doesn't step on what you want to accomplish with the prologue.

[20/12/2015 02:25:46] Matthew Goulart: I guess?

[20/12/2015 02:25:56] Alex Jensen: You don't sound too thrilled haha.

[20/12/2015 02:26:03] Matthew Goulart: How long in story time would this take exactly?

[20/12/2015 02:26:27] Alex Jensen: The prologue takes place as he leaves Inaba in spring, yes?

[20/12/2015 02:26:55] Matthew Goulart: Yes, March 21st

[20/12/2015 02:27:03] Matthew Goulart: He comes back on Golden Week

[20/12/2015 02:27:13] Alex Jensen: And that is...?

[20/12/2015 02:29:32] Alex Jensen: During Summer?

[20/12/2015 02:29:57] Matthew Goulart: That's on May, I believe?

[20/12/2015 02:30:15] Matthew Goulart: He does go back on Golden week, I know that much

[20/12/2015 02:30:26] Matthew Goulart: Persona 4 arena would happen on Golden Week

[20/12/2015 02:30:29] Alex Jensen: But that was before the scene we see at the end?

[20/12/2015 02:30:33] Matthew Goulart: Which would be 2 months later

[20/12/2015 02:30:40] Matthew Goulart: If it's summer vacation that would be 4-5

[20/12/2015 02:30:55] Matthew Goulart: Yeah

[20/12/2015 02:31:06] Matthew Goulart: That epilogue ending would take a few months more

[20/12/2015 02:31:16] Matthew Goulart: The "Golden Ending"

[20/12/2015 02:31:36] Matthew Goulart: Do we want to skip all that time?

[20/12/2015 02:31:46] Matthew Goulart: (I for one don't)

[20/12/2015 02:32:15] Alex Jensen: Just trying to work my head around all the dates.

[20/12/2015 02:32:28] Alex Jensen: I don't want to discount that ending if possible.

[20/12/2015 02:32:38] Matthew Goulart: Why not?

[20/12/2015 02:32:53] Matthew Goulart: That ending can't happen if we want to do this fic, technically

[20/12/2015 02:33:12] Matthew Goulart: Cause that ending would ensue Yu to go back to the city once more

[20/12/2015 02:33:19] Matthew Goulart: And since we want him to stay in Inaba

[20/12/2015 02:33:24] Matthew Goulart: That can't exacly happen

[20/12/2015 02:33:42] Alex Jensen: It was pretty well constructed and also took care of a lot of loose ends. That's why it would have been useful to keep.

[20/12/2015 02:34:16] Alex Jensen: But if it has to go, it has to go...

[20/12/2015 02:34:59] Matthew Goulart: What you mean?

[20/12/2015 02:35:12] Matthew Goulart: The true ending, the golden ending where he goes back and everyone looks different

[20/12/2015 02:35:26] Matthew Goulart: Didn't really close anything. It was just a nice thing

[20/12/2015 02:36:42] Alex Jensen: It informed us of what has been going on since he was gone in a way that wasn't obnoxious or come across as an infodump.

[20/12/2015 02:37:03] Alex Jensen: That's what I was referring to.

[20/12/2015 02:37:54] Matthew Goulart: I see

[20/12/2015 02:37:59] Matthew Goulart: All of that can still happen

[20/12/2015 02:38:06] Matthew Goulart: It would just be progressive

[20/12/2015 02:38:11] Matthew Goulart: Instead of just changing

[20/12/2015 02:38:52] Alex Jensen: We still need to do some of that though, since a respectable amount of time will have passed anyway.

[20/12/2015 02:39:37] Alex Jensen: It's always just easier to use things when possible.

[20/12/2015 02:40:18] Alex Jensen: So did we decide that the main story begins about 2 months after his initial return home?

[20/12/2015 02:40:26] Alex Jensen: Or was it 1? I can't recall.

[20/12/2015 02:40:54] Matthew Goulart: Let's say he spends 1 month with his parents

[20/12/2015 02:41:10] Matthew Goulart: His parents die

[20/12/2015 02:41:17] Matthew Goulart: 2 weeks later he's back in Inaba

[20/12/2015 02:41:23] Alex Jensen: Do we toss Golden week then?

[20/12/2015 02:41:36] Matthew Goulart: That would be close to Golden week

[20/12/2015 02:42:05] Alex Jensen: Did anything of importance happen during his trip on that week?

[20/12/2015 02:42:29] Alex Jensen: Or do we know anything at all about it?

[20/12/2015 02:43:08] Matthew Goulart: What do you mean?

[20/12/2015 02:43:44] Alex Jensen: Has there been any additional content released that shows his Golden Week trip to Inaba?

[20/12/2015 02:44:39] Alex Jensen: Or is it a case of "it just happened" and we know nothing specific?

[20/12/2015 02:44:55] Matthew Goulart: Persona 4 Arena

[20/12/2015 02:45:01] Matthew Goulart: Happens during Golden Week

[20/12/2015 02:45:08] Matthew Goulart: That, however, is not canon to us

[20/12/2015 02:45:35] Alex Jensen: That's good. I was thinking that we hijack it for our own uses.

[20/12/2015 02:46:31] Alex Jensen: Since it happens within our new timeline, I thought we use it as our "example" of how close Yu and his parents have become. A powerful memory that he has to deal with in his grief.

[20/12/2015 02:46:49] Alex Jensen: The deaths can occur shortly after.

[20/12/2015 02:47:01] Alex Jensen: Does that sound appealing?

[20/12/2015 02:49:08] Matthew Goulart: Shortly after what?

[20/12/2015 02:49:18] Alex Jensen: After Golden Week.

[20/12/2015 02:49:23] Matthew Goulart: No

[20/12/2015 02:49:26] Matthew Goulart: It would be before

[20/12/2015 02:49:32] Matthew Goulart: Like I said

[20/12/2015 02:49:38] Matthew Goulart: From March 20th

[20/12/2015 02:49:46] Matthew Goulart: A month goes by

[20/12/2015 02:49:53] Matthew Goulart: April 20th or 21st

[20/12/2015 02:49:55] Matthew Goulart: Something like that

[20/12/2015 02:49:58] Matthew Goulart: They die

[20/12/2015 02:50:06] Matthew Goulart: He spends about 2 weeks still in Toyo

[20/12/2015 02:50:09] Matthew Goulart: Tokyo

[20/12/2015 02:50:13] Matthew Goulart: And then goes back to Inaba

[20/12/2015 02:50:21] Matthew Goulart: Which would be close to golden week

[20/12/2015 02:51:00] Alex Jensen: Golden Week begins April 29.

[20/12/2015 02:51:06] Matthew Goulart: Which is like, May 3-5

[20/12/2015 02:51:08] Alex Jensen: So 2 weeks goes past that.

[20/12/2015 02:51:17] Matthew Goulart: Then a week

[20/12/2015 02:51:20] Matthew Goulart: It doesn't need to be 2

[20/12/2015 02:51:47] Alex Jensen: Doesn't 1 month exactly seem a little too... perfect and constructed?

[20/12/2015 02:52:42] Matthew Goulart: 3 weeks

[20/12/2015 02:52:45] Matthew Goulart: 25 days

[20/12/2015 02:52:50] Matthew Goulart: Doesn't need to be exact

[20/12/2015 02:52:57] Matthew Goulart: It can be whatever time we say

[20/12/2015 02:53:17] Alex Jensen: I know, but that's what I'm trying to get nailed down.

[20/12/2015 02:53:36] Alex Jensen: With the inclusion of a big holiday, timing it actually important.

[20/12/2015 02:53:40] Alex Jensen: *is

[20/12/2015 02:53:56] Matthew Goulart: We're going to consider only the days 3-5

[20/12/2015 02:54:00] Matthew Goulart: May 3-5

[20/12/2015 02:54:04] Matthew Goulart: Of golden week

[20/12/2015 02:54:18] Matthew Goulart: Those are holidays that are toghether

[20/12/2015 02:54:32] Alex Jensen: May I ask why? It sounds like the whole week is pretty important.

[20/12/2015 02:54:48] Matthew Goulart: April 29 is a holiday

[20/12/2015 02:55:01] Matthew Goulart: But it's way too separate from the other 3 days

[20/12/2015 02:55:05] Matthew Goulart: So we skip that one

[20/12/2015 02:55:10] Matthew Goulart: And go for May 3-4

[20/12/2015 02:55:13] Matthew Goulart: 3-5*

[20/12/2015 02:55:31] Matthew Goulart: We're using golden week as convinience more than anything

[20/12/2015 02:55:40] Matthew Goulart: It's a time everybody is free from school

[20/12/2015 02:55:46] Matthew Goulart: especially chie

[20/12/2015 02:55:57] Matthew Goulart: So they can talk to Yu and make him feel better and etc

[20/12/2015 02:56:05] Matthew Goulart: Get what I mean?

[20/12/2015 02:57:25] Alex Jensen: I do, but it kind of feels like a shame to pass up such a convenient time to create a good memory of his parents.

[20/12/2015 02:57:36] Alex Jensen: But what you're saying is also true.

[20/12/2015 02:57:58] Alex Jensen: It gives us an easy reason for them to be around him more often.

[20/12/2015 02:58:44] Alex Jensen: Although wouldn't Dojima try to insist they give him some time alone? He seems the type to value letting a person have their space when needed.

[20/12/2015 02:59:16] Alex Jensen: If that's the case, it seems like school becomes an equally useful way to enforce that.

[20/12/2015 02:59:33] Matthew Goulart: I guess.

[20/12/2015 02:59:43] Matthew Goulart: I did want to make Yu spend some time alone

[20/12/2015 02:59:51] Matthew Goulart: Go somewhere secluded

[20/12/2015 03:00:01] Alex Jensen: The river perhaps?

[20/12/2015 03:00:13] Alex Jensen: I seem to recall us talking about that.

[20/12/2015 03:00:32] Matthew Goulart: Yes, that works, but I wanted him to go for a longer period of time

[20/12/2015 03:00:38] Matthew Goulart: Like, go missing for 5 days

[20/12/2015 03:01:14] Alex Jensen: Maybe he runs to the TV world.

[20/12/2015 03:01:25] Matthew Goulart: Nah, Rise could find him there

[20/12/2015 03:01:42] Matthew Goulart: The TV world is also the world of colective uncounsiousness

[20/12/2015 03:01:56] Matthew Goulart: So that wouldn't be that good for Elizabeth reasons

[20/12/2015 03:02:21] Matthew Goulart: Actually, I believe after them beating Izanami that place doesn't really exist anymore. I mean, not accessible.

[20/12/2015 03:02:26] Matthew Goulart: I don't remenber correctly

[20/12/2015 03:02:32] Alex Jensen: It was.

[20/12/2015 03:02:41] Alex Jensen: Just not the Hollow Forrest.

[20/12/2015 03:03:10] Alex Jensen: The rest was turned into that beautiful, empty world. Teddie even said he planned to protect it.

[20/12/2015 03:03:31] Matthew Goulart: I see.

[20/12/2015 03:03:35] Matthew Goulart: I remenber that

[20/12/2015 03:03:44] Matthew Goulart: I don't remenber if it was after the Sagiri

[20/12/2015 03:03:47] Matthew Goulart: Or after Izanami

[20/12/2015 03:03:54] Alex Jensen: After Izanami.

[20/12/2015 03:04:03] Alex Jensen: She controlled the fog ultimately.

[20/12/2015 03:04:08] Alex Jensen: So it died with er.

[20/12/2015 03:04:09] Alex Jensen: *her

[20/12/2015 03:04:26] Alex Jensen: Or at least it did in theory.

[20/12/2015 03:04:38] Matthew Goulart: That empty world is only a piece of the sea of souls though

[20/12/2015 03:04:58] Matthew Goulart: Probably Marie's subcounscious (since she is Izanami)

[20/12/2015 03:05:45] Alex Jensen: Actually, I believe that the world itself was talked to have been just like the real one until the fog claimed it. Inazami's subconscious was that final dungeon.

[20/12/2015 03:05:59] Alex Jensen: Which went bye bye when she did.

[20/12/2015 03:06:32] Alex Jensen: At least I'm pretty sure it was like that...

[20/12/2015 03:06:56] Matthew Goulart: It's a bit confusing

[20/12/2015 03:07:01] Matthew Goulart: You see

[20/12/2015 03:07:18] Matthew Goulart: The midnight channel is nothing more than a part of the collective unconscious

[20/12/2015 03:07:24] Alex Jensen: I know.

[20/12/2015 03:07:28] Matthew Goulart: Yes

[20/12/2015 03:07:35] Alex Jensen: People wished for a way to see, so Inazami made it.

[20/12/2015 03:07:57] Matthew Goulart: Being a part of the collective uncounscious, it means it is prompt to change at any time, and that its simply one place in the sea of souls

[20/12/2015 03:08:28] Matthew Goulart: Having that, it's hard to say what it is EXACTLY

[20/12/2015 03:08:46] Matthew Goulart: Now, I have a nice idea

[20/12/2015 03:09:23] Matthew Goulart: What if Yu went into the TV world by their original TV... and found a way to break it after he went there

[20/12/2015 03:09:24] Matthew Goulart: :

[20/12/2015 03:09:37] Matthew Goulart: Essentianly maing it impossible to follow him easily

[20/12/2015 03:10:02] Matthew Goulart: It would be a good plan if we threw Chie alongside him, since she would be the main source for his healing

[20/12/2015 03:10:09] Matthew Goulart: Or someone else

[20/12/2015 03:10:22] Matthew Goulart: Because him being alone wouldn't help

[20/12/2015 03:11:04] Matthew Goulart: It would be for like 5 days only or so

[20/12/2015 03:11:13] Matthew Goulart: Enough time for him to get most of his shit together

[20/12/2015 03:12:05] Alex Jensen: But we had discussed that his social links would help him through the worst of that. Naoki and Hisano, if I remember.

[20/12/2015 03:12:13] Matthew Goulart: Yes

[20/12/2015 03:12:19] Matthew Goulart: But that would only start the process

[20/12/2015 03:12:32] Matthew Goulart: For him to really get his shit together something else would need to happen

[20/12/2015 03:12:37] Alex Jensen: I like him being trapped somewhere, but I would like to save that for a later time.

[20/12/2015 03:12:38] Matthew Goulart: I don't know.

[20/12/2015 03:12:50] Matthew Goulart: I feel like he would have a fieeling of death inside of him

[20/12/2015 03:13:16] Matthew Goulart: What will we do about it then?

[20/12/2015 03:13:57] Alex Jensen: I think we should stick to the areas surrounding Inaba and rely on his social links for the recovery process.

[20/12/2015 03:14:06] Matthew Goulart: Yes

[20/12/2015 03:14:09] Matthew Goulart: Sure

[20/12/2015 03:14:40] Alex Jensen: So he wanders for a day or two before one of his links finds him?

[20/12/2015 03:14:54] Matthew Goulart: Nah, he would just skip class for a day or two

[20/12/2015 03:15:00] Matthew Goulart: Being disclosed from people

[20/12/2015 03:16:16] Matthew Goulart: Talking about all this is sort of hard

[20/12/2015 03:16:23] Alex Jensen: How about he remains locked in his room for most of that time and each day either Nanako, Dojima, or one of his friends try to talk him out.

[20/12/2015 03:16:37] Alex Jensen: After a while of that though, he grows tired and wanders out quietly.

[20/12/2015 03:16:46] Matthew Goulart: Nah, I don't feel like that would be nice

[20/12/2015 03:17:21] Matthew Goulart: Him being locked in doesn't work that well

[20/12/2015 03:17:42] Matthew Goulart: He has a window, and I doubt he would defy Dojima at his own house

[20/12/2015 03:17:46] Matthew Goulart: He is Japanese, after all

[20/12/2015 03:18:48] Alex Jensen: Defy him? I never said that.

[20/12/2015 03:19:05] Matthew Goulart: "Yu open the damn door"

[20/12/2015 03:19:09] Matthew Goulart: "No!"

[20/12/2015 03:19:16] Matthew Goulart: Cannot see that happening

[20/12/2015 03:19:22] Alex Jensen: We already established Dojima would try his best to give Yu space.

[20/12/2015 03:19:38] Matthew Goulart: Still.

[20/12/2015 03:19:55] Matthew Goulart: Dojima is not the kind of person to just leave him locked there

[20/12/2015 03:20:07] Matthew Goulart: Yu is also the kind of person

[20/12/2015 03:20:09] Matthew Goulart: I feel

[20/12/2015 03:20:13] Matthew Goulart: That would just want to walk and think

[20/12/2015 03:21:02] Alex Jensen: I can speak from experience that when you lose somebody that close, you want to do anything BUT think.

[20/12/2015 03:22:48] Alex Jensen: Locking yourself in your room to avoid those looks of pity and unwanted advice becomes something you almost feel compulsed to do.

[20/12/2015 03:23:11] Matthew Goulart: But Yu's personality doesn't really fit that

[20/12/2015 03:23:21] Alex Jensen: Neither did mine at the time.

[20/12/2015 03:23:30] Matthew Goulart: I mean, from what you can see from arena and the anime

[20/12/2015 03:23:38] Matthew Goulart: Yu would be the kind of person to want distance

[20/12/2015 03:23:48] Matthew Goulart: Distance, disclosure and loneliness

[20/12/2015 03:23:53] Matthew Goulart: To walk and stuff

[20/12/2015 03:24:04] Matthew Goulart: Plus, having him locked doesn't help our cause

[20/12/2015 03:24:29] Matthew Goulart: I feel making he go to Sichiri Beach or somewhere really far away

[20/12/2015 03:24:31] Matthew Goulart: And stay there

[20/12/2015 03:24:33] Matthew Goulart: Alone

[20/12/2015 03:24:35] Matthew Goulart: Is better

[20/12/2015 03:26:49] Alex Jensen: I don't know.

[20/12/2015 03:27:22] Alex Jensen: I'm tired and having trouble coming up with anything else.

[20/12/2015 03:27:48] Alex Jensen: And even more with trying to properly express what I do have.

[20/12/2015 03:28:16] Matthew Goulart: Wanna take a break and continue this tomorrow?

[20/12/2015 03:28:26] Alex Jensen: If you don't mind too much...

[20/12/2015 03:28:42] Matthew Goulart: I don't. As long as we note this down and don't forget about it

[20/12/2015 03:28:51] Matthew Goulart: Tomorrow we go about this progressively

[20/12/2015 03:28:58] Matthew Goulart: Cause we're going all over the place today

[20/12/2015 03:29:14] Alex Jensen: You mind saving it then? Makes sense for the writer to have all of this locally.

[20/12/2015 03:30:24] Matthew Goulart: I remenber everything we talk about

[20/12/2015 03:30:31] Matthew Goulart: So doesn't change it all that much to me